Category talk:Cookware

Replacement with "Cookware and bakeware"

I propose to replace this category with Category:Cookware and bakeware, which already exists on Wikipedia, on the premise that the Wikipedia people had some reasons to join cookware and bakeware in one category. --Daniel Polansky 12:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Why can't it just be called "Cookware" and include "bakeware"? Is "bakeware" not a subset of "cookware"? Mike Dillon 04:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

If indeed cookware is a superset of bakeware, then I take my proposal back. I still wonder why Wikipedia lists "bakeware" alongside "cookware" in the name of their category, as if these were disjoint sets.

Quoting Wikipedia[1]:

Cookware and bakeware are types of food preparation containers commonly found in the kitchen. Cookware comprises cooking vessels, such as saucepans and frying pans, intended for use on a stove or range cooktop. Bakeware comprises cooking vessels intended for use inside an oven. Some utensils are both cookware and bakeware.

--Daniel Polansky 09:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I did an informal survey and couldn't find anywhere except that Wikipedia article that distinguish between cooking vessels "intended for use on a stove or range cooktop" and those "intended for use inside an oven" in the same way they do. Everything I could find treated "cookware" as a generic term for any cooking vessel and "bakeware" as cooking vessels used for baking. Since Wikipedia doesn't provide a source for why they split them into distinct groups, I think we need to look at usage like we usually do. Perhaps we should take this to WT:TR... Mike Dillon 16:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I asked my wife about this and she made the same distinction as the Wikipedia article. She said that cooking catalogs normally separate the two into "cookware" and "bakeware". It still isn't clear to me that this can't be explained as "bakeware" being used when the more specific term applies and "cookware" being used for everything else, but perhaps they are disjoint. She couldn't tell me what cooking vessels used on the grill should be called :) Mike Dillon 16:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Cookware

Category:Cookware and bakeware

Pretty clear cut case, the only issue (for me, anyway) is which to keep and which to use as a category redirect. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:16, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I'd drop the longer one. "And" is probably a good indication of a bad category name that corresponds to no natural category and exists to meet some constraint or abstract, normative naming scheme. DCDuring TALK 15:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

There is a point though. The latter category includes entries like microwave oven, which are not cookware and so do not belong in the shorter category. Do we need a separate Category:Bakeware? -- Liliana • 14:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it is the single most natural category for microwave (most common)/microwave oven (10-20% as common in Google news). How many categories should we have for a term like microwave? "Electrical appliances" seems most natural, put common purpose/function seems valid, too, as a principal for categories. [[microwave]] would also need "Radiation" or "Wave" or "Energy" or "Spectrum range" or whatever more apt terms there may be. An entry like [[head]] might need many categories.

A "rational" hierarchical category scheme seems inconsistent with both natural language and being a wiki. We have had a hard enough time with context categories, PoS categories, derivation categories, register categories, frequency categories, and grammatical categories, most of which are highly resistant to the idea of mutual exclusive, collectively exhaustive categorization. DCDuring TALK 14:30, 15 July 2011 (UTC)