Category talk:Greetings
Latest comment: 6 years ago by -sche in topic RFM discussion: September 2010–May 2017
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This and similar categories is treated as a topic category. The naming of each language's category reflects that. That seems wrong. The entries in the category are not about greetings. They are greetings. DCDuring TALK 10:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- True, but most of the entries in Category:Mammals are mammals, and in Category:Fish are fish! The 'and similar' categories are as numerous as the 'not similar' categories. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- No: this is a w:Category mistake that has led to a Category naming error. The members of Category:Mammals are names of mammals. The members of Category:Greetings and all its language-specific subcategories are not the names of greetings. They are the greetings themselves. DCDuring TALK 10:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Not just names. At least, I have been interpreting 'terms related to mammals' to mean I should be listing words like "mammalian" in Category:Mammals. - Robin 11:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think we have standards that would exclude, say, features or organs of mammals from membership. Should we? DCDuring TALK 17:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- They are topical. There is no L3 header ===Greeting===, "Greeting" is not a part of speech. Therefore, greetings cannot be a lexical category and has to be topical. -- Prince Kassad 17:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- It does not follow without the bald assumption (nowhere stated in policy or anywhere AFAICT) that only approved PoS headers are valid lexical categories. We have long had numerous subcategories of our PoS categories. Furthermore, the inadequacies of traditional PoSes have lead grammarians to numerous recategorizations of terms with not all categories fitting into a simple hierarchy under the traditional PoSes. We have now have categories such as Category:English non-constituents, Category:English clitics, and Category:English contractions that don't fit the PoS hierarchy and are clearly not "topical" the way Category:Mammals is. Whether such categories should be visible to normal users who do not opt in to having hidden categories visible, I don't know. DCDuring TALK 17:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Not just names. At least, I have been interpreting 'terms related to mammals' to mean I should be listing words like "mammalian" in Category:Mammals. - Robin 11:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- No: this is a w:Category mistake that has led to a Category naming error. The members of Category:Mammals are names of mammals. The members of Category:Greetings and all its language-specific subcategories are not the names of greetings. They are the greetings themselves. DCDuring TALK 10:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'd like to oppose your proposed move, but you haven't actually proposed a new title. That makes it a bit harder for me. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Anything to facilitate your opposition: Category:English greetings. Whatever other language categories had mostly greetings, not names of greetings or words applied to greeting, should probably be correspondingly changed as well. DCDuring TALK 11:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- Anything to facilitate your opposition: Category:English greetings. Whatever other language categories had mostly greetings, not names of greetings or words applied to greeting, should probably be correspondingly changed as well. DCDuring TALK 11:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Archiving as stale. - -sche (discuss) 20:19, 13 May 2017 (UTC)