Talk:Iuppiter

Should the plural forms be considered? --Farru ES (talk) 17:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they are often found in literature. Generally such uses stand in for "statues of Juppiter" or "pictures of Juppiter", much like the countable sense of Buddha in English. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 02:01, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Juppiter

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3DJuppiter

The Entry in Lewis Short Dictionary is Juppiter not Iuppiter — This unsigned comment was added by 73.57.144.205 (talk).

• Yes, but that isn't the page linked to from here. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:19, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Etymo

But why in Devil's name it is "Iuppiter" and not "Iuppater", being that in Umbrian is Iupater? And why should it lose the D-? Words like diurnus do keep it.--Manfariel (talk) 11:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Manfariel: I am not sure about the d, but I imagine the shift from short a to short i is probably for the same reason that inter + faciō yields interficiō instead of *interfaciō. But I'm not sure as to why exactly that change occurs. WT:Etymology Scriptorium may be a good place to ask - more people check there — Mnemosientje (t · c) 12:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mnemosientje: Hmmm. A vowel shift triggered by accent shift from A to U? Iúppiter → *Iúppıter → *Iúppĕter → *Iúppäter → *Iúppater → *ʝuppáter → *Dʝuppáter → *Diuppáter → *Diuspáter → *Dyewspatér. --Manfariel (talk) 13:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

pater: As a titular suffix, shares cognate roots with Old Latin Diēspiter (“Father Jove”), https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pater#Etymology_4. From Proto-Italic *djous patēr (“Jupiter”, literally “Sky Father”) from *djous + *patēr, from Proto-Indo-European *dyḗws (“sky god”, literally “the bright one”) from *dyew- (“to be bright, day sky”) + *ph₂tḗr (“father”). Essentially equivalent to diēs + pater; adds the title “Father” to Old Latin Diovis (“Jove”) whence the oblique cases of later forms of Diēspiter are derived by analogous formation (cf. Iuppiter, Iovis). Cognate of Umbrian 𐌉𐌖𐌐𐌀𐌕𐌄𐌓 (iupater); Sanskrit द्यौष्पितृ (Dyáuṣpitṛ́). Related by prime root to Diāna, dīvus, deus, and Ancient Greek Ζεύς (Zeús)—the Greek god to whom Roman Diēspiter is later equated—compare the equivalent vocative phrase in Doric Greek Δεῦ πάτερ (Deû páter), Attic Greek Ζεῦ πάτερ (Zeû páter, “O father Zeus”). https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Diespiter#Old_Latin --Manfariel (talk) 22:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)