Talk:falling

RFD discussion: September 2013–July 2014

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falling

probably not a true adjective - WF

Needs fixing, not deletion. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 10:03, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

It needs evidence to show that it behaves like a true adjective and with what meanings, if any. This is a common problem with -ing form entries. They are worth systematic inspection and review for PoS, without actually flooding RfV or RfD. Perhaps the more far-fetched ones could be done en masse. DCDuring TALK 15:32, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

• Keep: It's a present participle that can be used as a noun or adjective. Purplebackpack89 20:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
• RFD kept as there is no consensus for deletion. Keepers: Atitarev, Purplebackpack89. Deleters: WF (a banned user), DCDuring. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:22, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

RFD discussion: January–September 2022

See Talk:growing#RFD discussion: January–September 2022.

RFV discussion: September 2022–January 2023

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falling

Rfv-sense adjective That falls or fall. Can any citations be provided that clearly demonstrate adjectivality? Compare Talk:spiring. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 17:02, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I added a solidly adjectival example at Citations:falling (1814), but it seems pretty rare. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 11:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

RFV-failed. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 12:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

RFD discussion: January 2022–April 2023

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falling

surrounding

serving

spinning

Moved out of the other RFD upon DonnanZ's request. My rationale is exactly the same one though, see my comments at #growing. Most importantly, I don't deny that these present participles can be used adjectivally (like other things as User:Vininn126 stated), I simply deem that not inclusion-worthy for these 100% transparent cases (see my comment starting with "I oppose the inclusion of these "trivial part-of-speech conversions""). Please note that we RFD-deleted #spiring by consensus already so keeping any of these makes the dictionary internally inconsistent. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 12:44, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete, as per Fytcha. No one is denying they can be used adjectivally - just trying to not double mark information. Vininn126 (talk) 12:46, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

I meant completely separate listings, but this will have to do.

Definitely keep falling and surrounding. I'm not sure about the latter two at the moment, they need further thought. But I suspect not enough effort has been made by the user to study where a present participle is used, likewise for the adjective. It is far too simplistic to combine the two, and is a massive slap in the face for the many users who believe they are adjectives, and created the entries. So these RFDs deserve to fail. You shouldn't impose your own cock-eyed belief on the dictionary, it's not in the dictionary's interest. DonnanZ (talk) 13:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

You're claiming that we are saying they aren't adjectives. We aren't. Please read my above comment. Vininn126 (talk) 14:21, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Then keep them as adjectives! There is absolutely no sense in removing them. DonnanZ (talk) 14:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Except it's dupiclate information??? Vininn126 (talk) 14:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

No, it's not. DonnanZ (talk) 15:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

DonnanZ, I ask you to cease the bullying behavior and personal attacks towards me. I am not "imposing" anything, I am not "cock-eyed", nothing about my conduct is "worrying", nothing has "gone to my head", and neither do I think I have displayed "poor judgment" in the last couple of RFD discussions. I can't help but interpret your conduct as personal bullying towards me (likely motivated by your dislike for my RFD nominations) for the reason that there's absolutely no objective grounds for that unprovoked, off-topic, snide comment of yours made in #Big Red. Also, let me apologize for the snide reply I gave thereupon. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 14:48, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

That's rather rich. You yourself are being a bully, I feel, pushing your own PoV as hard as you can. I was accused of that once, many years ago. I am not attacking you personally, just what you believe in. What's wrong with that? DonnanZ (talk) 15:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

You haven't been. Many of your comments have been rather personal. Vininn126 (talk) 15:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

That's a matter of opinion. I will take back the comments even though they weren't meant to be personal, but I still strongly oppose the beliefs of you two and won't change my views. DonnanZ (talk) 15:27, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

I think it is time to discuss this at the Beer parlour as an issue involving general lexicographic principles, rather than by fighting this fight participle by participle – of which there are a zillion more and then some.  --Lambiam 10:16, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

@Lambiam: Agreed, will do. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 16:35, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

• Delete all as not meeting tests of a true adjective, eg, use with copulative-type verbs like seem, gradability/comparability, meaning distinct from verb. DCDuring (talk) 16:57, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• RFV failed: The adjective senses of all four terms were RFVed by Fytcha in 2022-09, and all have since failed (falling, surrounding, serving, spinning). The adjective senses and RFD / RFV tags have been removed accordingly. It seems to me this resolves the issue. — excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 02:41, 11 April 2023 (UTC)