Talk:hederate

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hederate

I can only find hederated; can anyone find hits of other tenses of this verb? If not, it would seem best to move the content to hederated and describe that term as an adjective. I would have just moved the page, but google books:"hederate" gets a lot of hits, and although the ones I looked at were Latin or scannos, I didn't wade through all of them. - -sche (discuss) 04:45, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

There are a couple of dictionary definitions here and here, a few older references to hederate of ammonia or of lead (whatever those are), and a botanical work that uses it as an adjective here. The rest is Latin and scannos. On Groups, there's hits due to its being a username (and most, if not all, not on Usenet), but nothing else. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

It is clearly a chemical term: I am seeing hederate of baryta, hederate of lime, hederate of potash, hederate of silver [1], hederate of lead [2] as well as several cites to hederate of ammonia mentioned by -sche. It appears to relate to any salt of hederic acid, which is a chemical derived from ivy seeds. SpinningSpark 10:12, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

"Hederic acid" appears to be obsolete term, it is now called hederagenin. I tried to run NGram for "hederic acid, hederagenin", but there were no results for "hederic acid". "Hederagenin" first appeared in 1919 in that search. "Hederate of" only gets 3 Google hits, all from sources dating back to 1800's. Thus it appears appropriate to tag the noun sense "obsolete". --Hekaheka (talk) 10:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Failed (by -sche (talk • contribs)). — Ungoliant ^(falai) 15:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

hederated

This is now listed as a verb form, but just to cover the superficially plausible hypothesis that this is an adjective existing separately from the verb hederate, I am asking quotations attesting the existence of this specific form, meeting WT:ATTEST, including the requirement that they are in use rather than mere mentions. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:12, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I found one more independent citation (beyond the one from The Diamond Age), from William Winstanley's chapter on John Gower. This is the one often quoted and paraphrased. As much as I enjoyed The Diamond Age, it doesn't seem to rank as a well-known work. I've tried Scholar, News, and even Groups. DCDuring TALK 14:47, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

There are now five citations at Citations:hederated. I’ll leave it for someone else to decide whether they are adjectives or participles. — Ungoliant ^(falai) 18:11, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I commented above "I can only find hederated; can anyone find hits of other tenses of this verb? If not, it would seem best to move the content to hederated and describe that term as an adjective." I will do that now. - -sche (discuss) 02:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Changed to adjective (by -sche (talk • contribs)). — Ungoliant ^(falai) 15:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)