Last modified on 15 September 2011, at 22:39

Talk:tip

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Is there any reference for the "tipple" origin for the sense of gratuity? First I've heard of that one.

More etymologies (proposal to add)Edit

I'd like to add the following etymologies (simplified/condensed and in Wikipedia format, of course) which will mean splitting the meanings up.

Etymology 1 NOUN ca. 1225: "end, point, top" from M.L.G. or M.Du. tip "utmost point, extremity, tip" (cf. Ger. zipfel, a dim. formation); perhaps cognate with O.E. tæppa "stopper" (see tap (n.)), from P.Gmc. *tupp- "upper extremity."

Etymology 2 VERB ca. 1300: "to slope, overturn" possibly from Scand., or a special use of tip (n.). Intransitive sense of "fall over" is recorded from 1530.

Etymology 3 NOUN & VERB ca. 1466: "light, sharp blow or tap" possibly from Low Ger. tippen "to poke, touch lightly", related to M.L.G. tip "end, point" and thus connected to tip (n.); or else connected with tap (v.) "to strike lightly." The noun in this sense [i.e. a light blow or tap] is attested from 1567.

Etymology 4 VERB & NOUN 1610: "give a small present of money to" "to give, hand, pass", originally thieves' cant (slang), perhaps from tip (Etym 3) "to tap". The meaning "give a gratuity to" is first attested 1706. The noun in this sense is from 1755; the meaning "piece of confidential information" is from 1845; the verb in this sense is from 1883; tipster first recorded 1862.

Any objections?--Tyranny Sue 12:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

My dictionary adds:
E1: O.N. typpa, to tip; Du, Norw, Dan, tip
E2: M.E. type (origin obscure)
E3: cognates Du tippen, Sw tippa
E4: nothing to add
Pingku 17:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Arg - complicated! :) --Tyranny Sue 13:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
  • OK, I've given it a good go in terms of splitting out the etymologies. Ƿidsiþ 14:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Nice work, Ƿidsiþ! I was too intimidated to try. I'd like to add some quotations, especially to Etym 5. (I wonder if the 'dump' meaning might've come from Etym 2?)--Tyranny Sue 02:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

AAVE usageEdit

Can we add the AAVE slang usage of "tip"--I'm not exactly sure of the meaning, but it's used as in "on the ... tip."

Example #1 at this source gives two examples of such a usage: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tip

24.29.228.33 06:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I can't figure out what it means, but I'm adding citations to Citations:tip. DCDuring TALK 15:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Is it like being on a kick or trip, a sort of informal phase? I first heard of this in the title of a rave track in the early '90s: On A Ragga Tip. Equinox 15:11, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
That fits three of the cites, but not 2011 and 2002. They all seem to me to have some common sense. I might even be able to use the expression almost correctly, but I can't quite word it. DCDuring TALK 15:52, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
2011 and 2002 could work with "front". Equinox 15:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Yup. I think you may have a handle on it. It seems to need at least two senses. The fit doesn't seem perfect at the 1999 cite, but I can hardly figure that one out at all. DCDuring TALK 17:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I have added a new ety (I can't see which existing one it might fit) with two senses and a link to the citations page. It'll do for now. Equinox 22:39, 15 September 2011 (UTC)