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User talk:SemperBlotto

Re all that, I've moved your original message to User talk:SemperBlotto#Message from Anonymous573462 (new user). — I.S.M.E.T.A. 11:50, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Bad Etymologies

Your "etymology" at Phoenician was so awful (you can't use a modern English word to explain a name that was in use thousands of years before English existed) that it's tempting to assume you're doing this as some kind of bad joke. But then there are your edits to Police: German nouns are always capitalized, but English (and French) nouns aren't, and there's already a more accurate etymology at police, which shows your guess was sort of half right (the Ancient Greek word is indeed related to the Ancient Greek word for city), but your formatting was so awful that it was worse than having nothing at all. Since you obviously have no clue what you're doing, I'm going to have to ask you not to add any more etymologies. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:22, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Phoen*ic*ian -> Phony•ic•ian

1. The Phoenicians monopolised the seas with purple dye 2. The only people who bought real purple were the Roman Generals (richest) at best. 3. Greek and Roman scholars wrote about them negatively as frauds (there is no empirical way they could have sold real purple dye to people since there was a natural rarity of it.)

Police -> Pol•ic•e(r)

Neither the German nor English page highlights the breakdown of the word. They'd both have the same etymological meaning since they both originate from the Latin's who spoke Greek in politics.. (originally Greek)

My etymology of police is more accurate than the one given... Because it doesn't mean "state/government", for a start they are synonymous with polity and not "police".. A police(r) is someone who who guards in relation to the city and they are not a citadel which is what the other etymology is implying. Sorry if I used the wrong page, but they're still essentially the same word anyway because it's Greek.

I no longer wished to add etymologies because

Etymo•log•y is; the study of the roots of words; historical roots as well as the roots within the words themselves (suffixes and prefixes).

You're looking for synonymous to whole words and they're not accurate or your leaving words uncut or incorrect... As above my etymology makes a great deal more sense than the one given for police and a decent understanding of the origin of the word "Phoenician".

- Also my Catholic etymology is more accurate than the one given,.. I use the exact roots, someone else created new roots not matching the suffix or prefix to catholic which is wrong. You can use google translate to see I am right (if you have access to that amendment). I presumed it would have seemed obvious after I pointed it out beneath as it correlated perfectly with the word.

- I am welcome to criticism but slander is just immature (ie; awful, and if it is awful please show how I made an error rather than arbitrating subjectively.)

But anyway, what I could do, if you would be fine with atleast this... Is to add the breakdowns to words, you can analyse them for validity... I'm not writing anything just putting (as example); etymo•log•y because this is where I shine. Not definitions to be honest.

Okay, please explain what was wrong with that etymology? You people make no sense, you won't accept the correct version; so I did version that makes the mistaken version on "Catholic"... You can use google translate to find that was true. If you're not even going to respond to me, I can only assume I understand etymology better than you.

Chuck, just so we're clear ;

"In short, I'm not fluent or expert in any one language or subject, but I see lots of connections others might miss."

I DO KNOW ETYMOLOGY BETTER THAN YOU SO LEAVE ME ALONE IF I MAKE AN EDIT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND OR ASK SOMEONE ELSE TO LOOK FOR YOU.

Response

I reverted your edit because your "breakdowns" are not allowed in entries. Please see WT:ELE. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 00:06, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Is there anywhere within the page the breaking down of a word can be clearly made? But thanks for the explanation... I can prove it's valid and it would allow the site to evolve deeper into etymology having some kind of format of it.

No; our etymologies are for word origins and we break down words according to pronunciation, but there is no standard (and therefore no universally valid) way to do this for etymology. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 00:15, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I appear to have a unique case;

What is universally true are the roots of words match different words;

Pol•ic•e ->

Pol- = city (Short for Polis)

-ic = relating to

-e = forms a verb (an abbreviation for -er)

Pol•it•y ->

Pol- (city)

-it = forming a posit

-y = relating to

Pol•it•ic•ian ->

Pol- = City

-it = forming a posit of

-ic = relating to

-ian = an abbreviation of -an; forming a noun.

I could go on... This is a way of identify how the word is formed because as you can see the calculation matches to each and all words follow this, I've been viewing roots in this way for years and not one objection to the rule follows; can you please show me an example case of where the rule is broken? If not I'd like to petition the idea of providing people the roots of words broken down in clear "•" somewhere on a page.

• Your etymological additions are not all valid; some are completely false. Additionally, you are trying to gloss words in languages you have no familiarity with. If you make any further questionable edits regarding etymologies or in contravention to the ELE, you will be blocked. @Chuck Entz please note my warning. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 05:22, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Warning noted and seconded. The current etymological approach is like doing brain surgery with a butter knife and garden tools- not just horribly, horribly wrong, but messy, too... Chuck Entz (talk) 05:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

If either of you looked up the etymology of the word adversary... The oldest recording is "Satan" which means accuser in the Old Testament (read the story of job, satan has an argument with god by accusing job). I thought Satan can remain in there because of the current sloppy usage of the name as it's normally assumed that he has an original reliance to "devil".

Adversary was originally a word for being in opposite, then it evolved to being an opponent aswell... The dispute definition however, has not vanished. You can't be violently cruel or wicked in a dispute as you wouldn't define that as a dispute if it was cruel or wicked... You'd name it something else.

Again, the notion that everything must be deleted on sight would only work if you participated in disputing with the people who you reverting with, or we're left with a very small minority of people editing on this website. Please address my adversary argument ^ good luck debunking.

I think it's fair to say; with the lack of discussion going on here, you guys have done a great job in arbitrating the website probably very slowly over time so now have made sure no one with a critique can apply any input. I see no reason to edit since it's evident you'll ban me if I go anywhere based on that standard. I'll save you the effort and wish you luck.

PS: Maybe if you did some example teaching with relevance to these disputes, you'd probably improve your website since other people can catch on (which I am unsure if you even understand the etymology any better than I do).

@Metacafe, I must clear up a point;

"I can fully understand and communicate in the following languages: English, Latin, and Tok Pisin. I, can understand and communicate in, but not wholly without error, the following languages: Spanish, Bislama, Pijin, Yiddish, Afrikaans, Middle English, Esperanto, Ido, and Klingon. I can understand, but not communicate in, the following languages: Italian, French, Japanese, Interlingua, Mauritian Creole, Zamboangueño Chavacano, and any major Polynesian language. I have briefly studied, but can neither understand texts of even slight complexity nor communicate effectively in, the following languages: Swahili, Greek (ancient and modern), Hebrew, Egyptian, Thai, Mandarin. All these are in written ability, and in some languages I am assuming that I can check a few words in a handy dictionary, but for Wiktionary purposes they all hold, true. Feel free to give me some, practice by leaving me messages in any language in the, first three categories."

Being unable to communication is not being able to understand. I realise your an administrator but you should go speak to someone who actually knows how the etymology works before tampering with my work or anyones. Now leave me alone.