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FrankB 01:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Fabartus/Archive1 Anything before now and today // FrankB 00:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


ref: {{interwikitmp-grp}} Why are you recreating previously deleted (rejected) templates? --Connel MacKenzie 07:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Was a general update. Wiktionary was apparently still listed as a default and I was in automatic cut N paste mode. Sorry. // FrankB 15:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


Almost all template names on Wiktionary start with a lower case character. --Connel MacKenzie 19:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Huh! Kinda out of the blue, as since 2 Feb I've used no, nor imported any template here! <g>
  • Unless one of your admins becomes active in the template sharing project, I've enough to do without sharing duties here. In fact, with the dictionary setup, there are probably only a few dozen tools I could think of that might have a use here.
  • You may want to look at M:template:Interwikicat-grp and advise me if you'd care to share some of the interwiki connection benifits on nodal categories. For example: m:Category:template. Other than that, I'm sure you guys are doing fine per your cultural needs.
  • Please see the embedded comment below as I can't figure out exactly how to incorporate it (being an adverb) into disaster or disastrously (adv) or whether as a separate disastrousness (n); or should I say instead why the second and other forms isn't mentioned in 'disaster'. But I make no claims to being a lexicographically skilled individual, as this sort of association seems quite logical to me. (Apparently someone arbitrarily decided one day the two word derivations aren't related? Or something! <g>) Be well! // FrankB 15:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  • That information would be added to both disaster and disastrously in a ===Derived terms=== section. The latter would include only a subset of the former. To date, most of these have simply not been added, but should be present. I've removed the above comment-section above, as a potential copyvio. --Connel MacKenzie 15:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The Wikipedia "template sharing project" is flawed from the start. The "Overview" section is offensive, false and POV. The ability for you (Wikipedians) to create templates on Wikipedia does not imply that those same templates are desired (nor useful) here. --Connel MacKenzie 16:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

  • It's also essentially, a first draft, though why it's offensive beats me. Wikipedia has more template coders doing little but template work than you or other smaller projects have doing regular work. Shrug.
  • I'll go back over that draft--that's not being taken as it was meant. Nor is their any idea or wish to import templates willy-nilly into any sister (excepting a small set of templates used to link to 'see also' mentions on other sisters so gobs of templates need not be imported--just the one desired); merely the wish to develop a sound lay-editor friendly system of tagging with links to version check and similar categorization so to enhance productivity on the many wiki's of it's volunteer users. Why is it controversial to want to maximize effectiveness of peoples time? We all only have so much of that most precious of comodities! // FrankB 16:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


I reverted your edit as it was not the right style for Wiktionary and was copied from elsewhere. Yours Conrad.Irwin 15:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

  1. Thanks for the heads-up
  2. All phrases are ultimately copied from somewhere, we all just file off the serial numbers and reissue things, so to speak
  3. Accusing someone of plagerism without proof, is very uncool
  4. Text search with google, before going down THAT road. What happened to good faith?
  5. The page needs to cover that aspect... style fix as you like, but don't ignore the frickin improvement!
  6. I've re-rv'd you... edit as you like, but cover the def. I've linked to it in several contexts in related articles inline and not-inline on en.wikipedia, generally articles pertaining to real estate which the youngsters over there were totally clueless about. As a landlord, "utilities clauses" are almost always part of leases... and so forth.

Be well... but watch the accusations! // FrankB 20:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

  • BTW-- did you get fooled by the inline comment? Then EDIT that out... not LAZILY REVERT... ANY FOOL can do that! Reverting should be the LAST RESORT forsooth. No wonder I don't care to contribute more here... the environment is hostile if you all make reversion sans inspection!
Stephen appears to have beaten me to reverting you. Please do not revert again, or you will be blocked. For starters, you seem to have missed Conrad's comments about the right style for Wiktionary, which your edit remains outside of. Finally, you cite your source. I fail to see how his accusation of copying text from others is a failure to assume good faith. You seem to be making no attempts to hide it. However, let's not get bogged down in that conversation. What's just as important in my eyes, is that the def you entered is not the type of def we want in our dictionary. Please read some of our help pages which I'll post below to get a better feel for what we do here. As for mindless reversions, I saw nothing in your edits worth keeping. Please learn more about our project before making accusations against some of our best contributors. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 20:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


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Wiktionary:Beer parlour#Category:Pronunciations wildly different across the pondEdit

As you have previously commented on Category:Pronunciations wildly different accross the pond, you will probably be interested in the Beer Parlour discussion I have just started about it. See Wiktionary:Beer parlour#Category:Pronunciations wildly different across the pond. Thryduulf 13:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Last modified on 12 August 2008, at 13:36