User talk:Nemzag/2009

Derr & Derdhe

Derr Etymology

Deviation of latin verres (“boar”) [wɛrres] to derr [dɛr], like versare (“to pour”) was deviated to derdhe [deɾðɛ]. Nemzag 13:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

A Word play, from universae [unɪversɛ] & verres [wɛrres], using the Persian word دهر (universe / door) to replace prefix vero, still this pun, is false because VERRES use W [wɛrres] and VERSE from VERTERE & VERAX RECTUS REX [verags rɛgθus rɛgs] use V. Gmazdên 10:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Also if True is VERAX RÊCTUS RÊGULA RÊX ρήγας (rḗgas) [verags rɛgθus rɛgula rɛgs rɛgas] ВЕРЕН [verɛn] (VEREN [verɛn]) deviated in Germanic in WARA (True [vara] ; caution & attention [wara] !), some word like guarantor & guerissor would be correctly pronounced [ʒvarranθɔr] & [ʒverrɪssɔr]... Also War from Gwarra & Gwerro, writed in old latin GVARRA & GVERRO is related to VRÔ [urɔ], so the meaning of guerra & guerro is to burn / furn the Uêrres (URÔ VÊRRES [wɛr·res]). Gmazdên 09:12, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Qen, Çan, Çen

Etymology

From latin canis deviated to çan [ʧan] (still used in Xhakova, Kosova) then çen [ʧɛn] (still used in Macedunia Dialect) and reformed (1947) in albania by the communist power to qen [ʨɛn]. Nemzag 11:17, 01 February 2009 (UTC)

Lirë, Liber, Illyria

Lirë Etymology

(Can this⁽⁺⁾ etymology be sourced?) Contraction of latin liber & Illyria. First prounounced lyrë then reformed to lirë.

Lirë Pronunciation

• IPA^(key): [liɾə]

Lirë Noun

2009

1. independent, unimpeded

Lirë Adjective

1. cheap

njeri

What was that??? Clearly you have little understanding of Indo-European, if you think that *h₂nḗr gave Arabic anything. As far as I can tell, you have contributed next to nothing to this project. You bog down multiple request pages with droves of requests (and while I can't speak for any other languages, the majority of the Ancient Greek requests were gibberish or misspelled). Nearly every mainspace edit you've ever made has been reverted. I've blocked you for a week, as I'm sick of checking all your contribs to make sure they've been reverted. If you'd like to contribute to this project, then I suggest you try listening to some of the feedback you've been getting. If you have questions, ask. If you are getting criticisms, try to find out what you're doing wrong. Further edits along the lines of what you've done so far will result in a permanent block. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 03:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Njeri Etymology

From (deprecated template usage) [etyl] Proto-Indo-European *h₂nḗr, greek ΑΝΉΡ [anɛr / anir] & arab نِيَرْ [ɲær].

grc Request

I'm copying this here, as you might find it useful. All of the rest of your edits are being undone, and will be again should they reappear.

(copied from WT:RE:grc)

• ϙορβανάς origine of κορβανάς etymology קָרבָּן & قربان.

  see this. There is a Koine word κορβανᾶς derived from Aramaic qorbān; it is not and it could not be written with ϙ. I don't think that there should be here a section under Ϙ. --flyax 13:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Zot, Zotëri

Hello, I'm nemzag, i created those entry i'm an albanian greek, orthodox pop and i'm sure of what I say please leave my add... Thanks

Yes, I know who you are. You add those etymologies before and we had to remove them. You have unconventional and unsupported ideas about etymologies, which is something that we do not like here. Please do not add any more etymologies here. —Stephen 23:55, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Wiktionary is open to everyone, i know my language and my people more than other people and if i can explain is my right to express my self. Please be nice and accept others ideas & opinions.

We don’t allow w:original research. Even though you know your language, you must follow best practices and widely accepted standards. In the past you have tried to create links and entries to support unconventional ideas of etymology, especially in regard to Arabic and Hebrew. We have never allowed those kinds of contributions and you must avoid that kind of work. —Stephen 08:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Do not add unsourced material

Please only include etymologies from academic (especially linguistic) sources. Thanks. Azaleapomp2 06:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes Nemzag, and also please refrain from fringe theories and original research whilst adding your sources. We must focus on the most current scholarship, and arrange theories by the level of acceptance in the linguistic community (usually in reverse chronological order). --Ivan Štambuk 07:14, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

With regards to the zot entry, please do not add unsourced material. All of the other etymologies have been sourced from academic materials. Thanks. Azaleapomp2 06:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't need source just greek logic... Also some say that zotëri & zot in Albanian came from the Persian word Zaotor (Zût, Zot) Persian Zoroastrian Head Invoker Priest (source : [[1]] & [[2]]). Still the word connect to greek σωτήρ : savior (messia in hebrew), also called ώχρα χρυσός Χρισωτάρης ήλιοσωλαριστα (Chrisotarês), who is the head sacrificator priest of Zeys  : ιερεύς από Ζεύς (سر رأس رئيس زيوس), the zotëri, the Zaotar, श्रोत्रिय, the Sôtêr צתרה (Savior, Messiah Christ מוֹשִׁיעַ מָשִׁיחַ משה). So please leave my information... I'm an albanian from Macedonia, and Shqipëria is near greece, so a lot of word came from very ancient Creg orthodox Nemzag.

About your source vladimir orel is a Russian, not an albanian romanian persian, and the two others source are deutsch, both tryed to conquer albania in the second world war. So please, leave my information Nemzag 11:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC).

And all his explanation about Zotëri made by Azaleapomp2, are just inadequate, and useless Nemzag 12:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Zotëri is Sôtêr (in greek) and have no etymology with Hindu Praja Pati, विश्पति (víś-páti), “‘lord of the house’”) जास्पति (jā́s-pati : “‘head of a family’), *desyās + *poti (“‘lord, master’”) *deywós (“‘skyling, deity’”) + *átta (“‘father’”), Praja Pati & Others are the roman Iupiter Dius (God of Earth Sky, because Ouranos / Varuna is the god of Universal Sky). Every body know that roman cult came from persian & hindu (aryan), because roma is a persian colony, made after the alexander & Darius / Xerxes war on greece, to take it from the west. Nemzag 19:35, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Please Nemzag no more of this fringecruft. Use reliable, peer-reviewed linguistic sources for etymologies or you'll be blocked for pushing OR and PoV. --Ivan Štambuk 18:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I understand but you are wrong, when somebody don't agree with you, or don't accord with your opinion, you block them, it's not fair, and not democratic, for me is like dictatory. I explain my language, you never know better than me the origine of my people. A lot of people of my family are teacher. So please, leave my information.Nemzag 19:24, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

No, this is not a democracy but a dictatorship of logic and reason. Languages are not "owned" by people who speak them. If you persevere in in adding dubious etymologies you'll be blocked. There is so much other useful things you could do here, please desist from making such contentious edits. --Ivan Štambuk 19:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, but understand, i agree about some information added by Azaleapomp2 about Zot, like live, life it's related to greek ζων or ζῶ [zɔ], again is a name of ζήνων Ζεύς (ζέων ζέω ζήνων ζέση). Those information are true again σωτήρ [Sôtêr] is an epithet of Ζεύς. About the word zonjë, feminine form of Zot, is related to life ζων and arabo-persian زن [zɒn] who mean fornication زان [zæn]. The life. So Zotëri is the Sôtêr Zaotar priest of Life aka ζήνων Ζεύς ώχρυσωτάρης, god of thunder & lightning, who give life to machine, automate and animal cortex. Oki? Also in macedonia we say for a lady zojë. Nemzag 19:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean with Macedonia? The province in Greece or FYROM? Neither Slavomacedonian nor Greek is written in Latin script, so zojë is not a valid spelling in either case. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 21:10, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Aryan Romanian Albanian Shqiptar from FYROM Skopje, Shkupi : latin Scupi Nemzag 09:30, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

No, zotëri is a synchronic derivation from zotër, plural form of zot. It has absolutely nothing to do with the priesthood of fire or Ancient Greek deities. --Ivan Štambuk 19:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

So, how we do now ? About Zot, Zaotar, Sôtêr, life and Zeys ? Nemzag 19:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Here's how: These have absolutely nothing to do with each other, so we don't mention them. --Ivan Štambuk 19:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand that you leaved etymology so long time. Before that Azaleapomp2 remove my etymology information, i don't wan't to remove is add but just to leave my add.

Because nobody noticed that it was wrong. Hopefully with guys such as Azeleapomp here, we'll eventually weed out all the nonsense on mythical Iranian/Aryan substratum in Balkanic languages. --Ivan Štambuk 20:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Who is that Azaleapomp2, is he the all knowing guy from east deutschland & russia ? You are trying to remove our ancient god Nemzag 20:25, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

He is the knowledgeable dude :) Look Nemzag, I don't want to discuss this any further. I hope you understood what I meant to say about non-reliable and non-scholarly sources - they're not only unallowed, but are strongly discouraged and their continual pushing will result in sanctions for the fervent PoV fundamentalist. That "colonizer's" type of scholarship is the only thing we're truly interested in. Search on the Internet for Orel's historical grammar of Albanian and Albanian etymological dictionary and try to obtain some real knowledge on your mother tongue without the layer of nationalist/religious mythology. That kind of information you'd be allowed add on Wiktionary. But no more of this Greek/Aryan deity stuff, please. --Ivan Štambuk 20:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

About what you said "No, zotëri is a synchronic derivation from zotër, plural form of zot." isn't true, in albanian, plural form masculine is "ËT" feminine is "AT" like arab/persian: derr & derrët, derra & derrat (door & doors درات), kerr & kerrët, kerra & kerrat (Car & cars), nënë & nënët, nëna & nënat (mother, mothers), babë & babët, baba & babat (father, fathers), Zot & zotët, zota & Zotat (deity & Deitys), zotëri & zotëriët, zotëria zotëriat (Lord, Savior & Lords Saviors), Zotëri is derivation of Sôtêr & Zaotar like kundër [qundəɾ] & qendër [ʨɛndəɾ] came from κόντρα [qontra] & κέντρο [qentro] (kund & qend didn't exist in albanian the extension "ËR" is not plural form Read This (the only word I founded is Femër (sq : [femər] = meurt [mœr]) spelled Femnat ([femnat] mk & kosovo) (Women from latin FEMINA : p.95 of "Albanian Etymological Dictionary", "Orel Vladimir", also Zotëri is Tosk, Gheg use Zôtëni) ; same type of latin derivation exist in italian, spagnol & french, where the S became Z, K / G [g], G [g] / DƷ, D / T, phonetic deviation), Zotëria Shqipëria ("Feja Shqiptare është Shqiptaria"), also zotër didn't exist in my dictionary (lingvosoft, babylon), zotëri, zotëroj, zotësi exist. 09:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC) (PS : Can you explain me how to add information about my knowledge in some language, like those you added in your user page ?)

Well, several dictionaries I checked all list zotër as one of the plural forms of zot. E.g. this one online. Two of them are etymological, one is "normal" (Albanian-Russian).

You need to use templates and language codes if you want to display your knowledge of a particular language. For example, for Albanian you use: {{Babel-1|sq}}, where sq is the ISO language code for Albanian (which you can find e.g. on Wikipedia). You can add additional codes with |code1|code2|code3... with various levels. See Wiktionary:Babel for more information. --Ivan Štambuk 10:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I use babylon, lingvosoft & Fjalor i gjuhës së sotme shqipe (by Rilindja of Nazmi Rrahmani), there is no Zotër but Zotëroj, Nemzag 11:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC).

I'm not sure your online dictionary is a good one who made it ? (Arizona U.S of N.A)

In Albanian after communist regime, they made a reform (1947), and changed a lot of word, adding double consonne like ND (n), Përk, derr, hund, mb (m)... In macedonia the albanian who didn't learned the reformed language at school, still use the ancient prononciation, so i have made a list of word corrupted by reformator. So if your online dictionary use the reformed is fake then, like spouse : nusë / nusja (sq) is nase / nasja (mk) from arabic نساء, lady : zonje (sq) is zojë (mk), build : mbaroj (sq) maroj (mk), impossible : pamundësi (sq), pamunësi (mk), end : fund (sq) fun (mk of latin finis), honor : nderoj (sq) neroj (mk) king : mbret (sq : brutus britannic) mret (mk : mat مت mortis मृत्य / مرت : death=Mret (king), life=zôt (god)), lamb kingj [kinɟ] (mk שֶׂה שַׁח), qingj [ʨinɟ] (kosovo), qëngj [ʨənɟ] (sq); dog : qen [ʨɛn] (sq), çen [ʧɛn] (mk) & çan [ʧan] (kosovo xhakova from latin canis)... Nemzag 11:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Nemzag, Ivan was suggesting that you add the input/text {{Babel-2|sq|en-2}} for example, if you speak Albanian as native language and English at an intermediate level at your user page. The number (in this case 2) corresponds to the number of languages you speak. If you speak French as well, add {{Babel-3|sq|en-2|fr-2}} and so on. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 11:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for Advice Bogorm, i added information. Nemzag 22:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm well aware with the communist-imposed reform of switching the official literary dialect to reflect Hoxha's mother tongue but this has nothing to do with this. --Ivan Štambuk 17:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's ever been our policy to "only add sourced material". Users are allowed to use their own brains and even sourced etymologies are speculative. If you want to remove dubious etymologies, fine, but I don't think we'er going to start removing every etymology that doesn't have a source. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:31, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

That is the purpose of the Template:rfv-etymology - to demand and provide plausibility for the etymology mostly by means of referencing. I would not agree to erase all unsourced etymologies either. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 11:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

There is a difference between "speculative" and "plausible". Not all speculative theories (which is a yes/no quality) are equally plausible (which can be scientifically gauged and given certain probability). Your logic is the same what creationists (ab)use to "teach the controversy" at schools. Nemzag's theories are essentially made-up nonsense and we cannot allow that. It's enough annoying that he doesn't accept Western scholarship at all (according to him Western etymologists are biased by colonizers' anti-Albanian prejudice, and only Albanians have divine right to etymologize their languages), but now him claims that there is no such thing as zotër plural of zot despite the fact that it can be found in just about any dictionary. --Ivan Štambuk 17:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Ivan. Sources from academic and peer-reviewed materials will always trump unsourced information or materials which are not from academia. For etymologies, the best sources of course will come from linguistics as this is the qualified authority on etymologies. I hope to look over more of the etymologies to check with the academic sources. Removing every unsourced etymology would not be needed as often some users will recognize right away if the etymology is correct or not. I know enough of some etymologies from Indo-European languages to spot blatant errors right away. This is why "zot" stood out right away as I have known of that word's etymology due to me reading academic sources on that word. Azaleapomp2 20:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Your source are fake and useless, i don't understand why you add hindu god instead of our Ellêno-Creg gods Nemzag 23:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

عباد / عبد

I know nothing of Arabic - but isn't obedient an adjective? SemperBlotto 11:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps, but i would like that you find the noun of obedient , How do you add name & date ? Nemzag 11:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

obedience? (use 4 tildes instead of 3) SemperBlotto 11:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

It does not mean obedience. Your source for this information either does not know Arabic or does not know English. Stop using that source. If you want to continue using it, do not bring it here. —Stephen 00:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Blocked

You are blocked for 1 month for deliberately adding fake and unscholarly etymologies, despite numerous warnings not to do so. --Ivan Štambuk 21:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)