User talk:Zabadu

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Again, welcome! --biblbroks_{дискашн} 16:25, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Serbian

Are you sure that the words you are adding are only used in Serbia? I had a quick look on the Croatian Wikipedia and found a few pages that used karlica there. —CodeCat 17:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry this is probably my mistake.Croatian word for pelvis is zdjelica but I guess karlica is also used.

I'm asking this because there are many effort by nationalists in those countries to make their own dialect seem as different as possible from the others. I've read some discussions where people thought that a certain word was a typical Croatian word when in reality the Serbs used it all the time too. So you may want to be careful and check first, or just not add dialect markers at all. —CodeCat 17:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

ska probljem

The {{delete}} template is only for entries that are obvious nonsense, like if someone types something completely random. It should only be used if there is no chance that anyone could possibly object. However, Biblbroks objected, so that means the template should not be used, and you should discuss the deletion first. I suggest that you submit the entry for verification at WT:RFV, so that we can see if there are any actual uses of this phrase. —CodeCat 16:06, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

• OK - you have added an {{rfv}} template. Now you have to click on the little + sign and actually create a "request for verification" page, telling us why you believe the term does not exist (even though there are plenty of Google hits for it). SemperBlotto (talk) 16:13, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Actually, I don't think you need to motivate an RFV... although it may help. —CodeCat 16:15, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I know for sure that this term isn't used. I 've never ever heard of it and I am a native speaker of Serbo-croatian.

With due respect, there are a lot of English terms I haven't heard of. Languages are very big things, you'd be surprised. RFV seems like a no doubter here. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:44, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Signing your posts

Don't forget to sign your posts with "--~~~~" or the like. --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:29, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Productive verbs

Hi! I have a question about Serbo-Croatian. Would you happen to know which kinds of verb are still productive? I mean, if someone wants to create a new verb, how do they make it? With -eti, -ovati, -iti etc? —CodeCat 13:37, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Creating a verb from another verb or from a noun?How do you mean productive?

Zabadu (talk)

There are many different kinds of verbs having different endings. Are any new verbs with those endings ever created? Like, for example, does anyone ever create a new verb ending in -iti? Or in -ovati? Or are all those verbs "old" ones? —CodeCat 13:56, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Creating a verb from from a noun : žrtva + ovati = žrtvovati mio(mil) + ovati = milovati želja + eti = žel(jeti zvono + iti = zvoniti ...

There are also other suffixes and prefixes you can add to nouns or other parts of speech when you want to slightly change the meaning or gender.But that's nothing new,these are old verbs and nouns.

Zabadu (talk)

So -ovati, -(j)eti and -iti are still currently used to create new verbs that didn't exist before? —CodeCat 14:28, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Why would "we" create new verbs? Zabadu (talk)

Every language creates new words, often by making new words from old ones. For example in English Google has become a verb, derived from the noun. If you wanted to do that in Serbo-Croatian would you get googleovati or googleiti or something like that? —CodeCat 14:33, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh you mean recent loandwords from English? Yes Gugl + ovati = guglovati (it propbaly exist although I never heard it before) To like on facebook = lajk + ovati = lajkovati(this is the most used one) (or lajkati in Croatia) to post on facebook something = post + ovati = postovati (the correct verb would be objaviti).This sounds a bit awkward because post) in SH means fast or fasting (type of diet).

Unfortunately I also heard verb šerovati (to share on facebook) šer(share in english) + ovati = šerovati (the correct verb is ofcourse pod(j)eliti

These are verbs I know of.

Zabadu (talk)

Ok, that does clear things up a bit. -ati is still used to make new verbs in Croatia, -ovati also in Serbia, and -iti and -(j)eti as well. Thank you! (If you want to know... I am doing Proto-Slavic etymologies so I need to know when a verb could have been created after the Proto-Slavic time. So if some verb suffixes are still being used to make new words, then I have to be careful with assuming that such words are always old) —CodeCat 14:46, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Registr + IRATI = Registrirati (in Croatia) Registr + OVATI = Registrovati (in Serbia) Not -ati thats just lajkati.

Zabadu (talk)

And please don't remove my recent work on SH,just correct it if made some mistake.

Zabadu (talk)

Remove it? Why would I do that? —CodeCat 16:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Ja bih rekao bazditi...

po pravopisu srpskog, ali izgleda da postoji i bazdjeti: gugl hitovi. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 15:45, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Posting in English

I ask you to post to all discussions in English, rather than in Serbo-Croatian. This is an English Wiktionary, and it is essential that parties not involved in the discussions understand what is being said. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:26, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry.Can I write in SH on users page?

Zabadu (talk)

There is no voted-on prohibition agains that, but you should better write in English also on user pages, IMHO. If what you write there has any bearing to Wiktionary, other Wiktionary editors should be able to understand it. If what you write has nothing to do with Wiktionary, you should probably take it somewhere else. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

hey

I saw that you had problems with a administrator on metaknowlege's talk. He said to just do something that is useful [when i asked] cause administrators get mad when we get in the way. so i checked out Category:Requests for photographs [search it, sorry i couldn't make the link] and put photos on. Now when I make a mistake [with the pics] this administrator told me how I could improve in a nice way. hope you consider, Venomxx (talk) 23:53, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I wont touch other's entries for now.Please tell me,can Google hits be a reliable source for making entries?

For now I'm using this Croatian source only http://hjp.novi-liber.hr/ and I think it is trustable.I was told that Google,Google translate, or even Wikipedia can't be trusted but now I see some entries are made almost exclusively based on these sites.

Zabadu (talk)

Entries are made based on quotations attesting their use in durably archived sources, as per WT:ATTEST. These are typically those found in Google books search, and in Usenet. Entries are not sourced from dictionaries; dictionary-only terms do not appear in Wiktionary namespace but only in an appendix. Thus, if a durably archived book writes that "the cat meowed", and you know what "meow" means, the book indicates that "cat" could refer to a domestic meowing animal, although there are other things that can meow, such as tiger I think. --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Punctuation

May I ask you to pay a bit of attention to punctuation when posting to English Wiktionary? In English, commas and fullstops ending a sentence are followed by at least one space. Thus, the following are instances of wrong or unusual punctuation:

• "jem,fake and false.I "
• "behind it.Reason"
• "probljem.Then you started"
• "and stuff.Very bad"
• etc.

--Dan Polansky (talk) 20:03, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Really?Is that such a big problem? But OK I will try to make less grammar mistakes when writing. Why are some users threatening to block me? Did I write something that is not true? Why do they get angry when I try to fix their mistakes?

Zabadu (talk)

"Really?Is that such a": There you go again. Well, IT IS nat sučh a big prablem, bat it disturbs readiing a bit. Teh text cen be understuud, but there is a sEnSe of someThinK wronk.

As for blocking, saying something that turns out to be false is not a blockable offense. Showing "disruptive behavior" may be, though. I am afraid that what you deem fixing mistakes others deem introducing mistakes or removing content. --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Of course I am removing their content because their content is wrong.

Can you please sign your posts with "--~~~~"?

Wiktionary is a collaborative site. The decision about whether content is wrong is not made by any single editor. When an editor thinks a term or sense does not exists in a language, they send the term to WT:RFV using {{rfv}} or {{rfv-sense}} to see whether evidence of existence of the term or sense can be collected. --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

If you don't like what I write and how I write then you can block me. Zabadu (talk)

Wiktionary has a set of common practices, including those for writing on a talk page. Most users signing includes time stamps, as you can easily verify by looking around. Timestamp is inserted by using four tilde characters. --Dan Polansky (talk) 21:01, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Go and block me if you don't like me. I won't really lose anything. You will just have one Serbo-Croatian editer less. So you can make incorrect Serbo-Croat entries as you want. Zabadu (talk)

No one is going to block you for bad punctuation on talk pages. But if you continue removing content without using the standard RFV process as pointed by me above, you are likely to find yourself blocked, but not by me, as I am not an admin. --Dan Polansky (talk) 21:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Look if you like to have incorrect Serbo-Croatian content fine. You already have it Zabadu (talk)

I will continue fixing mistakes and improving SH entries until someone blocks me. As I said I wont lose anything I don't get money for this. Zabadu (talk)

You will lose your ability to edit English Wiktionary. If you do not care about this ability, why bother editing in the first place? If you want to make sure wrong entries and sense get removed, using the proper process can help you do that while keeping your ability to edit. --Dan Polansky (talk) 21:32, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I do not want to remove them I just want to make same changes. Zabadu (talk)

Use of inflammatory language

This is in my opinion a poorly thought-through edit. The fact that something doesn't exist doesn't imply 'racism' as you put it. If something doesn't exist here and you think it should, just create it or requests its creation at WT:RE:sh or an equivalent page (such as WT:RE:en for English). There are lots of words we don't have in all languages, including English, but it doesn't mean we are 'racist' against English speakers. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

User biblbroks is calling me racist, ultranationalist and other ugly names. That is really inflammatory language.

Almost half of SH nouns made here are rare, regional, non-standard, minor, or just Croatian. Why aren't they marked as such, and why can't I mark them, without someone threatening me with blocking? I am horrified with category:nouns . Half of them don't even exist. I am surprised how SH is edited , how many gravely incorrect entries exist. And can even fix this because someone is threatening me with blocking.

Zabadu (talk)

You're theatened with blocking because you are removing potentially valid information from Wiktionary. I think this was pointed out to you before. The normal practice when you see a word you doubt the existence of is to submit it to RFV. Why didn't you do that? —CodeCat 17:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Valid information? Riiight what other users who have no knowledge of SH post is valid , when I correct them it is not valid. Riiight.

"Free wiktioanary that everyone can edit" riiight everyone except administrators and certain privileged users.

I don't know if you have some problems with your sight , but I wrote above that I do no doubt their existence I want to mark them as rare, create synonyms and add real words, standard words .

And why don't you block me already if you think I am removing precious information or making things up? Obviously you don't think I am editing this because I speak Serbo-Croatian , live in Serbia and I want to improve entries in my language , no I'm removing valid information because I am really really mean and want to ruin everything just because.

Zabadu (talk)

Unblock

This blocked user is asking that his or her block be reviewed:

Zabadu (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock)

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Request reason:

I was just defending the truth and myself.The user called me ugly names for a long time,but nobody reacted.Also he's a liar,can't be trusted, and is making things up,creating fake words etc.

I blocked you for the ugly names you used. Do you think that was acceptable? —CodeCat 15:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately I misinterpreted your words and called your comment racist. For that I apologize. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 16:19, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

He called my names , racist and you did nothing. Why doesn't anyone answer my questions , texts I wrote above? ska probljem is a gross lie no Serbo-Croat speaker says that , you can found as many Google hits you want , you're not fooling me , you're only fooling some strangers. I wanted to contribute and create new entries , fix some errors , mark words because I know the language.

I don't particularly hate Albanians , but it's not racist to state the fact almost no Serb would say such unnecessary word as ska probljem

Zabadu (talk)

But it is bad behaviour to call others racists. That is what I blocked you for. —CodeCat 17:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Why don't block him then? Answer my text above. He is biased and YOU are biased too. Zabadu (talk)

You are so biased that you're not even trying to hide it. And you are racist you are a gross racist you're discriminating me and applying double standards. You're disgusting.

Zabadu (talk)

I still don't understand why you think your block should be removed. Do you think your behaviour was acceptable and productive for Wiktionary? I understand that you want to be treated fairly and that others should deserve the same treatment for the same thing. But that isn't the issue here. What others do has no bearing on why I blocked you; I blocked you only for your own behaviour. This is not the place to argue that others should be blocked too, this is about your block right now. —CodeCat 17:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

You are really disgusting. Fuck you! You can block me forever now I wouldn't even care. I don't even want to edit anymore. Bye

Zabadu (talk)

I think you're just so paranoid and so willing to blame others it would be questionable to unblock you. Do you really think that other people's (alleged) bad behavior is a justification for you to behave badly? I suppose the simple answer is "yes", you've been very clear on that. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I ask the administrators to consider allowing the user to edit his talk page. If he understands this act of goodwill, he might have something constructive to say. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 21:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey I'm back I hope you realized blocking me was bad,and I changed my mind I want to edit again.

24.135.79.187 13:12, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Not after what happened at User talk:Metaknowledge. It seems you still haven't learned not to insult people. —CodeCat 15:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I deserved being called stupid. You know why? I didn't realize it was Zabadu again! —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 15:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)