Wiktionary:Votes/2016-10/Populating "derived from" categories with borrowed and inherited terms

Populating "derived from" categories with borrowed and inherited terms

Voting on:

Introducing a change in categorization, as described below.

• Currently, {{bor}} places entries only in "Category:X terms borrowed from Y". Proposed change: Making {{bor}} categorize all entries that use it in both "Category:X terms derived from Y" and "Category:X terms borrowed from Y".

  Example: If this vote passes and the English entry sushi uses {{bor|en|ja}}, it will be categorized into both Category:English terms derived from Japanese and Category:English terms borrowed from Japanese.

• Currently, {{inh}} places entries only in "Category:X terms inherited from Y". Proposed change: Making {{inh}} categorize all terms that use it in both "Category:X terms derived from Y" and "Category:X terms inherited from Y".

  Example: If this vote passes and the English entry eleven uses {{inh|en|ang}}, it will be categorized into both Category:English terms derived from Old English and Category:English terms inherited from Old English.

• Currently, {{der}} places entries only in "Category:X terms derived from Y". (Example: Category:English terms derived from Spanish.) No change is proposed for {{der}} at this time; this template is only shown here for context.

Proposed state	Current state
{{bor}} → "Category:X entries derived from Y" and "Category:X entries borrowed from Y" {{inh}} → "Category:X entries derived from Y" and "Category:X entries inherited from Y" {{der}} → "Category:X entries derived from Y"	{{bor}} → only "Category:X entries borrowed from Y" {{inh}} → only "Category:X entries inherited from Y" {{der}} → only "Category:X entries derived from Y"

Rationale:

Currently, entries are split into various types of derivations. The "derived terms" categories are a catch-all for all types of derivations. If this vote passes, readers will be able to navigate only the "derived terms" to see all derived terms at once, as opposed to having to check multiple categories for the relationship between two languages.

For context, below are some current derivation categories, with the number of entries as of October 8, 2016. It may be argued that many entries are incorrectly categorized and should be moved into "inherited" or "borrowed" categories instead of "derived". If this vote passes, all "derived from" categories will include borrowed and inherited terms.

• Category:English terms derived from French contains 5,766 entries
• Category:English terms borrowed from French contains 1,456 entries
• Category:English terms derived from Japanese contains 1,027 entries
• Category:English terms borrowed from Japanese contains 123 entries
• Category:English terms derived from Old English contains 4,595 entries
• Category:English terms borrowed from Old English contains 12 entries
• Category:English terms inherited from Old English contains 507 entries

Schedule:

• Vote starts: 00:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
• Vote ends: 23:59, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
• Vote created: --Daniel Carrero (talk) 11:38, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Discussion:

• Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2016/September#{{bor}} and {{inh}} should also categorize into "Foo terms derived from Bar"
• Wiktionary talk:Votes/2016-10/Populating "derived from" categories with borrowed and inherited terms

Decision

Withdrawn --Daniel Carrero (talk) 19:18, 10 October 2016 (UTC)