Talk:ჭკორი
Latest comment: 2 years ago by კვარია
@Vahagn_Petrosyan btw I can't find anywhere, which edition of Saba was he using? I can't find "slave with cut off ear" კვარია (talk) 16:57, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- @კვარია: me neither. He doesn't cite the edition. It's not in Orbeliani 1884 or 1949, which are the only ones I know published before 1951. Perhaps Ghapantsyan had access to the unpublished manuscripts of Orbeliani and confused the Armenian gloss of ყმა (q̇ma) for a Georgian word: http://www.nplg.gov.ge/gwdict/index.php?a=term&d=8&t=49291. But the critical edition does not have anything about cut-off ears. Vahag (talk) 18:01, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's possible, even the PDF we're using as template has Armenian dictionary attached at the end (though I can't link it because archive.org is confused about something). კვარია (talk) 18:16, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- That dictionary must be a version of
{{R:axm:Amalyan:1975}}, a medieval Armenian glossary on which Saba modelled his dictionary. Vahag (talk) 18:46, 26 March 2022 (UTC)- By the way, are you going to explain "slave" ~ "stone statue" for the semantically challenged such as myself? :) კვარია (talk) 11:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have an explanation :) Neither do Ghapantsyan or Chukhua, but they still compare ჭორტი (č̣orṭi). If I understand correctly, the basic meaning is not "statue" but a "marker made of stone". What does დაჭორტვა (dač̣orṭva) mean: http://www.nplg.gov.ge/gwdict/index.php?a=term&d=28&t=8213? Google Translate is not clear. Vahag (talk) 15:20, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well I thought Ghapantsyan, Chukhua, and you, knew something I didn't because I'm dumb about connecting things semantically. Fay Freak's comparison is close.
- It's just a verb related to setting it up, but that meaning of ჭორტი they have is closer ot the one in Old Georgian, Rayfield doesn't have it because he took definitions from GED. კვარია (talk) 19:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- By the concept of German fassen, German einfassen; used for something put in stone, gems etc. as well as capture of a criminal etc. Proto-Indo-European *keh₂p- also had both meanings. Fay Freak (talk) 16:28, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have an explanation :) Neither do Ghapantsyan or Chukhua, but they still compare ჭორტი (č̣orṭi). If I understand correctly, the basic meaning is not "statue" but a "marker made of stone". What does დაჭორტვა (dač̣orṭva) mean: http://www.nplg.gov.ge/gwdict/index.php?a=term&d=28&t=8213? Google Translate is not clear. Vahag (talk) 15:20, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- By the way, are you going to explain "slave" ~ "stone statue" for the semantically challenged such as myself? :) კვარია (talk) 11:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- That dictionary must be a version of
- That's possible, even the PDF we're using as template has Armenian dictionary attached at the end (though I can't link it because archive.org is confused about something). კვარია (talk) 18:16, 26 March 2022 (UTC)