Talk:Antibabypillen

RFC discussion: July 2018

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Antibabypillen

{{head|de|noun form|pl}}

Antibabypillen (pl)

is wrong as it displays "pl" without annotation, and it should be

{{head|de|noun form|g=f-p}}

Antibabypillen f pl

-84.161.6.98 01:30, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

• I have removed any mention of the gender, which seems to be in line with what our German noun plural form entries normally do. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 07:18, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Why? That seems like a disimprovement. Korn [kʰũːɘ̃n] (talk) 07:49, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, partly because that seems to be standard. Additionally, I presume German plural nouns work like Yiddish ones, wherein the plural isn't marked for gender at all in terms of its agreement. We might as well centralise the data in one place by keeping gender information at the lemma. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 17:27, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

It does not seem to be standard or to be the only standard. Other examples:

• (with gender and plural marking in the header:) Ärzte, Paare, Sachen, Tore
• (only gender and no plural marking in the header:) Lederhosen, Kinder.

NHG (i.e. High German from 1500 till now) does have remnants of a gendered plural, especially: zween - zwo - zwey/zwei (probs now more common in southern German dialects). Also, it's not just a matter of agreement in plural, but also for differentiating different words: Sometimes the gender is needed to differ between words. Examples: Toren (m. vs. n.), Deutsche (m. vs. f.), Deutschen (n. vs. m. vs. f.). And it's better to add gender and plural marking, even if not really needed as in Antibabypillen, than to drop such markings were it's needed as in Toren.

-84.161.9.65 09:08, 22 July 2018 (UTC)