Talk:chingón

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チンゴン

RFV discussion: August–September 2019

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Spanish chingón

Rfv-sense: "(Mexico, colloquial) Cuss word, translates closely to *ucking *itch.". I understand what the anon was trying to say (even though it's badly worded), however, I'm not well versed in Mexican slang or colloquial speech so I can't decide if it should be a stand-alone sense. Any input? --Robbie SWE (talk) 08:43, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

The anon's basic sense of "unpleasant person" seems to be covered already by sense 2, "a tough, uncompromising, or intimidating person". However, when applying this term to a female, wouldn't the expected form be chingona instead? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 16:38, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

On the Spanish Wiktionary this term, considered vulgar, is solely presented as an adjective with two meanings: (1) “of very high quality, very well made”; (2) “practicing annoying jokes”. Of course, adjectives are easily nominalized in Spanish, but I think the adjective sense is the primary one. So the senses range from admirable (badass, kick-ass) to annoying (pain in the ass). Wikipedia gives the meaning “troublemaker”. The book 3,000 Spanish Words and Phrases They Won't Teach You in School only has a positive noun sense: “Chingón (n.) – A person who is a chingón (almost always male) is someone who is the best at something or at everything in general, in a self-satisfied, big-ego sort of way ... someone who is so top-of-the-heap that if he were a lion or a horse, he would be the dominant male. Fregón is used as an [sic] euphemism of chingón.” This definition is repeated verbatim in The Street-Wise Spanish Survival Guide by the same authors.  --Lambiam 19:18, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

• RFV resolved. The poorly worded sense is gone, and we now have three noun senses that more or less cover the semantic territory, although more work is needed. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 20:09, 28 September 2019 (UTC)