Talk:grazie

Is the IPA pronunciation /ˈɡrattsje/ or /ˈɡrattsie/? Most dictionaries have the former but a certified Italian teacher told me today that the standard Italian way (i.e. Florence dialect) is the latter. I'm no expert but I can't hear any /j/ in sound clips I have. I can hear the /j/ in, for example, impiegato (/impjeˈɡato/) but not in grazie. Thoughts? SageGreenRider (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

This seems to be a common situation with words that are very often used. In English Thanks => 'Ta', or Thank you => 'kew'; in Greek I have heard people say Evharisto as 'festo' and endaksi as 'daksi' (which a foreigner could confuse with 'taxi'). It's a sort of laziness that creeps into everyday usage, but becomes more quickly acceptable due to the fact that it's so commonplace. Jonpienaar (talk) 13:48, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think that's it. I'll leave both. The sound sample sounds more like /ˈɡrattsie/ than /ˈɡrattsje/ to my untrained ear. SageGreenRider (talk) 00:35, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I can't hear /ˈɡrattsie/ in either of the sound files and I don't know how this could be a "lazy" form as it would have an additional syllable. I don't know if we still have the same files we had in 2015, but of the ones currently on I hear the first one as /ˈɡrattsje/ and the second one as /ˈɡra(t)tsi/. That the later exists would also be corroborated by Maltese grazzi. 90.186.170.100 15:01, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

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grazie

An important word deserves a better entry. Jberkel (talk) 01:51, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

@Jberkel: is this ok? Or still need to improve? IvanScroogeNovantotto _{(parla con me)} 20:32, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I made some further changes, mostly formatting / entry structure. There's still room for improvement, but it's less horrible now. – Jberkel (talk) 10:06, 15 April 2016 (UTC)