Talk:orthographie

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Orthography is orthographe, but orthographie is a word, with another meaning. —Internoob (Disc•Cont) 04:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

• orthographic projection? SemperBlotto 07:11, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
• Or just orthography. There's an architectural definition missing here - one definition given is "In drafting, a geometrical representation of an elevation or section of a building." other (probably outdated definitions) can be found here. I'll add a tag {{architecture|lang=fr}} to orthographie, but I daren't define the architectural term in English. --Felonia 12:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

See “orthographie”, in Trésor de la langue française informatisé [Digitized Treasury of the French Language], 2012. It has three definitions:

1. (architecture) A representation of the façade of a building, with its dimensions reduced to scale but not deformed by the effect of perspective.
   • That is, a head-on orthographic projection of the front of a building.
   • For this definition its only quotation is a mention that describes it as Greek.
2. (architecture) A perpendicular cut or profile of a fortification.
   • That is, a head-on orthographic projection of the side of a building, or of a cut perpendicular the front or a side.
   • For this definition it has no quotations, though it does indicate that some dictionary includes it.
3. (geometry) synonym of projection orthogonale
   • For this definition it has no quotations, though it does indicate that some dictionary includes it.

It also has a verb orthographier, meaning "to write (a word) according to such-and-such orthography", of which this would be one form.

—Ruakh_TALK 18:11, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• I've added # {{architecture}} {{rfdef}} to orthography --Felonia 09:51, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Request withdrawn. —Internoob (Disc•Cont) 03:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

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French noun. Tagged but not listed. - -sche (discuss) 08:44, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I have a theory that Internoob tagged this when it just said 'orthography', as the French word for that is orthographe. Then Wonderfool added the architecture tag. fr:orthographie actually confirms both sense, but if it's correct, and I suspect it is, getting three citations should be easy enough. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:03, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, there are so many hits for the obsolete form of orthographe sense, I'm struggling to find anything for the other sense. Google Books in French gets over a million hits, and I can search through all of them by hand, of course! Mglovesfun (talk) 14:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Hm, I just noticed the old discussion on the talk page. Apparently, the request was withdrawn, in which case we could remove the tag and close this. fr.wikt does have the sense, as you note. Also, I don't speak French well enough to be sure, but I think plenty of relevant hits come up if one searches for ""orthographie" élévation OR géométrale". Here's three:

• 1862, Revue des beaux-arts de France, volume 16, page 185:

  Tout le monde sait la différence qu'il ya entre l'orthographie géométrale d'un bâtiment, telle que les architectes la donnent en estampes, el la vue même du bâtiment, avec la suite des perspectives qui l'accompagnent.

• 1975, Edgar de Bruyne, Études d'esthétique médiévale, volume 1, page 253:

  Les représentations graphiques de la disposition, en grec […] , sont l'ichnographie, l'orthographie, et la scénographie sur laquelle Vussin interrogeait Eginhard (2).

• 1986, Odile Seyler, Jean-Louis Cohen, La recherche en architecture: un bilan international, page 51:

  En ceci Raphaël se distingue de la tradition vitruvienne qui, aux côtés de l'orthographie — élévation et de l'iconographie — plan, […]

I'll let a French-speaker check these and strike this, but I think it's now properly cited! - -sche (discuss) 20:32, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks good, all of these support the disputed sense. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Alright, then I'm closing this. :) Cheers, - -sche (discuss) 20:41, 1 March 2012 (UTC)