πŒ±π‚πŒΉπŒ²πŒ²πŒ°πŒ½

Fragment of a discussion from User talk:Rua

Fair enough, but then how do we add the conjugation?

β€” Kleio (t Β· c)β€Ž18:31, 12 May 2016

There would have to be a unique conjugation type just for this verb, much like we have for Germanic.

β€”CodeCatβ€Ž18:32, 12 May 2016

Hey, while I'm bothering you anyway (really hope you don't mind too much, I just have a lot of questions as I am still learning) -- I just added a conjugation template for another word that behaves irregularly from what I can tell, πŒ°πŒΉπ…πƒ (aiws), which seems to be mixed i-stem and a-stem, as the accusative plural follows the i-stem paradigm, but the dative plural seems to be an a-stem. Nominative plural is not attested (the only form that isn't, as a matter of fact) and I added both the a-stem and i-stem nom. pl. forms as possibilities in the template, but honestly I'm not sure what should be there. What do you think of this? Can we even know the nominative plural here? In any case, it's my first time really dabbling in this kind of irregular declension, so I think I might have done something not entirely right and would appreciate if you could have a look, since you seem to know more about this than I do.

β€” Kleio (t Β· c)β€Ž19:26, 12 May 2016

There are a bunch of these mixed inflection nouns in Gothic, many of them are loanwords. I'm not sure if there is really any consistency between them, so I think treating each one as an irregular noun on its own is best.

β€”CodeCatβ€Ž20:26, 12 May 2016

I was wondering why this wasn't a neuter u-stem if it is from *hβ‚‚Γ³yu. This kinda looks like a mix of *aiwaz of something else. Also, We should clarify the discrepancy between the etymology of *aiwaz and the descendants of *hβ‚‚Γ³yu because they do not agree.

β€”JohnC5β€Ž20:44, 12 May 2016

The definition of the Germanic entry also seems off. It always had some kind of "long time" meaning; this is the inherited PIE sense as well as the sense found in at least some of the descendants.

Neuter u-stems are very rare in Germanic, and in fact they're quite rare in other IE branches too. Many IE branches reformed the word in some way, not just Germanic. Look at the Greek or Latin descendants for example. Compare also some other former neuter u-stems, like *Η΅Γ³nu > *knewΔ… or *dΓ³ru > *trewΔ….

β€”CodeCatβ€Ž21:16, 12 May 2016