Gothic cardinal numerals

Fragment of a discussion from User talk:Rua

I see both of the messages you sent, so I don't know.

To be honest, I don't fully understand all the grammatical details of this situation. The only thing I do understand for sure is that the situation I am trying to create is clearer than the one we had before (with "number" and "numeral" used side by side at the whims of every editor). So I would prefer to continue fixing this rather than having to wait and discuss even longer... This discussion has already gone unsolved for 5 years now, so I am just happy that there is a solution, I don't really care if it's the best one!

โ€”CodeCatโ€Ž10:22, 14 August 2012

My mistake -- I didn't click on "Show 4 replies", so I didn't see my previous messages... I hadn't used this system for messages before.

OK, let's be pragmatic. I'll follow the system you guys have come up with. So: can you show me an example of an entry (headings, categories, etc.) for words like "five", "fifth", "one fifth" and "group of five" in some language which does follow the desired system (e.g., no ==Cardinal numeral== headings, I assume?)? And of one language that has the desired category structure? Any of the ones you've already fixed will do, if it is now exactly as it should be according to your system. I'll copy it for Latvian (and I'll fix what I did in Gothic, Sanskrit, and Old Church Slavonic to match it).

Pereru (talk)โ€Ž12:45, 14 August 2012

I think most of the Gothic words have been fixed now, so you can use them as an example. Category:Gothic numerals contains all Gothic words with the part of speech "numeral". It does not contain ๐Œท๐Œฟ๐Œฝ๐Œณ (hund, โ€œhundredโ€) or ๐Œธ๐Œฟ๐ƒ๐Œฟ๐Œฝ๐Œณ๐Œน (รพลซsundi, โ€œthousandโ€), which are nouns (and have genders). ๐Œฐ๐Œน๐Œฝ๐ƒ (ains, โ€œoneโ€) is also used as an indefinite determiner in Gothic, meaning 'any' or 'some', so it should probably have a separate header for that. The category Category:got:Cardinal numbers does contain both. That category should probably also contain the Gothic numeral symbols, which are Gothic letters that are used as numerals, as in Greek. I haven't added them yet.

So far I have only worked on the cardinal number categories. Ordinals will probably be more difficult because it is harder to determine what part of speech they are. In English and most Germanic languages they are adjectives, but I don't know about other languages. I wonder if there are any languages where ordinals are also grammatically "numerals" and therefore are interchangeable with cardinals.

โ€”CodeCatโ€Ž12:56, 14 August 2012

OK. I'll change the Latvian entries to match this format later today, when I get a chance (and after I'm done with a few color terms). As soon as it's done I'll let you know so that you can tell me if everything looks fine. Hopelijk worden zodoende alle problemen opgelost...

Pereru (talk)โ€Ž13:41, 14 August 2012