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Sources for your pronunciation editsEdit

Hi Apisite, do you have any sources for your pronunciation edits of non-single-character entries? If not, please do not infer pronunciations. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 03:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung For Min Bei:
* https://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-mf/dialect.php
* https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wp/mnp

To be continued if needed. --Apisite (talk) 03:07, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I couldn't find something like lṳ̀-să̤ in either source. Could you point me to a page in the Min Bei Wikipedia that would be using this? — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 03:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
@Justinrleung Here: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/mnp/L%E1%B9%B3%CC%80-s%C4%83%CC%A4 --Apisite (talk) 03:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, that's silly of me. Thanks! Just make sure the editors who made the page are actually familiar with the language. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 03:17, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
In the case of this page, it seems like it was made by an IP editor, which may be a little unreliable. I think this word might be okay, but I'd be a little more cautious. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 03:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
@Justinrleung Frankly, I have been worried about whether any Sinolect will be able to survive the Wuhan pneumonia epidemic or its aftermath. --Apisite (talk) 03:24, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
😔 — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 04:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
@Justinrleung Do you remember the list of Min Bei pronunciations to be checked? --Apisite (talk) 14:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

ش ب ه and شبهEdit

Hi, these edits of yours seem to contain errors:



I can find no evidence either in the dictionariy of Wehr nor that of Lane that there is a form I verb for this root.

Can you please clear this up? Thanks, -- 09:42, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

The Student's Arabic-English Dictionary, I think. --Apisite (talk) 11:36, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Usage example on Vorfahr as Lo XimiendoEdit

Could you explain what made you add this? I can't find it as a quote anywhere and it's a rather unusual sentence to invent as a usage example. I am confused. Anatol Rath (talk) 21:20, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Anatol Rath: The editorial treatise How the Specter of Communism Is Ruling Our World by the same folks behind the Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party. (I wonder how the English sentence at Zivilisation could be translated; besides, I doubt it matters whether or not one believes in National Socialism.) --Apisite (talk) 22:45, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
@Apisite, why not wait until you can translate the English sentence into the primary text? A premature edit looks bad: you could have done it in your sandbox, right? inqilābī [inqilāb zindabād] 20:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Don't add example sentences like that, or like this one. If you are unsure, simply avoid political example sentences altogether. You hurt the credibility of the dictionary when you do so. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
    [1] 👋 —Suzukaze-c (talk) 03:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
    You were warned by me above, and you have been reprimanded multiple times before about inserting your opinions into Wiktionary entries inappropriately, including for adding support for pseudoscience when you used the account Lo Ximiendo. As a result, I am blocking you for one week. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 07:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Requests for pronunciations, translations, etc.Edit


I personally think that adding requests for anything (pronunciations, translations) should be used in moderation. E.g. Category:Requests for pronunciation in Mongolian entries is growing but hardly being filled. It's probably one of the most discouraging things. I did add some, they were filled and then I stopped when I saw that nobody is completing those requests. I don't actually think that requests help the project unless someone is looking after a specific category and you know about it, so you can engage with specific editors. I am not asking you to stop. It's just my opinion. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 05:13, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hanifi RohingyaEdit

Hey, I see you're adding the Hanifi Rohingya script to the Rohingya entries. However, you're adding it both to the alternative forms section and the header. I would suggest choosing one, probably the header seeing as the scripts are fully parallelly used. cf. Serbo-Croatian dom, дом, Cree kakwa, ᑲᒃᐗ, ᑲᐠᐘ. Thadh (talk) 13:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Thadh: I was doing that, in case anyone has no idea what the Hanifi script is, until headword line templates are made similar to those for Malay entries. --Apisite (talk) 14:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
If you believe other editors may lack some essential knowledge, you could make an About page (compare other languages', like Hindi's) including this information. Normally, editors don't delete information about writing systems, especially given that the language's category gives the script already. However, I see that Rohingya isn't the only extra script, so you may be better off doing something like Pali does. Thadh (talk) 15:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@Thadh: The problem is, that we don't know how the Rohingya tongue is written in the Bangla and Burmese writing systems; but still, maybe a hybrid of entry styles from the Malay and Pali entries could work, with the headword line displaying only the Hanifi spelling and the section for alternative forms displaying other different spellings respectively. --Apisite (talk) 23:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@Thadh: Regarding the headword line templates, I forgot to mention displaying the fonna spellings. --Apisite (talk) 23:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@Thadh: Take both versions of the word boga, for instance. --Apisite (talk) 01:32, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
@Thadh: Something about the proposal for Hanifi tells me, that the writing system seems to be an abugida with tone marks and a shadda (maybe like the Ethiopic script with its rarely used equivalent). --Apisite (talk) 10:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
@Thadh: Therefore, the transliteration module may well have to make something like enPR symbols. --Apisite (talk) 10:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
I am not really familiar with Rohingya, so I'm afraid I won't be any help, but I would suggest choosing one specific way, whichever you think is best. Thadh (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)


Please see CAT:E. Your changes to Module:Rohg-translit caused a lot of errors due to a missing 'diacritics' table. Benwing2 (talk) 01:35, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Benwing2: I was trying to figure out how to make the transliteration module generate the following: the Latin accent diacritic for harbay (◌𐴤/U+10D24), "êː" for the long falling tone mark thela (◌𐴥/U+10D25), and "ěː" for the long rising tone mark thana (◌𐴦/U+10D26), as well as gemination for the tossi mark (◌𐴧/U+10D27). (The long tones are an idea from Appendix:Serbo-Croatian pronunciation.) --Apisite (talk) 01:58, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Seems like a good idea, you just need to specify the 'diacritics' table. You can define local u = mw.ustring.char and then use e.g. local CFLEX = u(0x0302) (for the circumflex) or local CARON = u(0x030C) (for the caron/haček), and use them to define the 'diacritics' table. Benwing2 (talk) 02:09, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Benwing: Thanks, how can I deal with the tossi mark, which is like the shadda of the Arabic abjad? --Apisite (talk) 02:20, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Benwing2: I meant Benwing2, sorry. --Apisite (talk) 02:21, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
You need an 'if' statement inside the function inside of 'mw.ustring.gsub'. It looks like you already had one, you just need to modify it to read something like this:
if d == "" then
    return consonants[c] .. 'ô'
elseif d == TOSSI then
    return consonants[c] .. consonants[c]
    return consonants[c] .. diacritics[d]

Benwing2 (talk) 02:26, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Where and how in the following coding can the diacritics be defined? What other changes are needed?
local export = {}
local consonants = {
	["𐴀"]='ʾ', ["𐴁"]='b', ["𐴃"]='t', ["𐴄"]='th',
	["𐴅"]='j', ["𐴆"]='ch', ["𐴇"]='h', ["𐴈"]='kh',
	["𐴉"]='f', ["𐴂"]='p', ["𐴊"]='d', ["𐴋"]='dh',
	["𐴌"]='r', ["𐴍"]='ç', ["𐴎"]='z', ["𐴏"]='s',
	["𐴐"]='c', ["𐴑"]='k', ["𐴒"]='g', ["𐴓"]='l',
	["𐴔"]='m', ["𐴕"]='n', ["𐴖"]='w', ["𐴗"]='w',
	["𐴘"]='y', ["𐴙"]='i', ["𐴚"]='ng', ["𐴛"]='ny', ["𐴜"]='v',

local tt = {
	-- vowels
	["𐴝"]='a', ["𐴞"]='i', ["𐴟"]='u', ["𐴠"]='e', ["𐴡"]='o',
	-- diacritics
	["𐴤"]='u(0x0301)', ["𐴥"]='u(0x0302)ː', ["𐴦"]='u(0x030C)ː', ["𐴧"]='',
	-- numerals
	["𐴰"]='0', ["𐴱"]='1', ["𐴲"]='2', ["𐴳"]='3', ["𐴴"]='4',
	["𐴵"]='5', ["𐴶"]='6', ["𐴷"]='7', ["𐴸"]='8', ["𐴹"]='9'

function export.tr(text, lang, sc)
	text = mw.ustring.gsub(
		function(c, d)
			if d == "" then        
				return consonants[c] .. 'ô'
			elseif d == TOSSI then
				return consonants[c] .. consonants[c]
				return consonants[c] .. diacritics[d]

	text = mw.ustring.gsub(text, '.', tt)
	return text

return export

Take your time and mind how you go. --Apisite (talk) 03:10, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

I think the approach you want to follow is this:

  1. First replace all consonants with consonant + inherent vowel (which appears to be 'ô').
  2. Then replace all sequences of inherent vowel + diacritic with just the diacritic.
  3. Then replace all sequences of consonant + tossi with consonant + the same consonant.
  4. The convert all Hanifi characters to their Latin equivalent, using text = mw.ustring.gsub(text, '.', tt).

By this approach, you have only one table, which is tt, and which has entries for consonants, vowels and diacritics. (Also, you can't put u(0x0301) or similar inside of quotes; you'd have to write u(0x0301) .. 'ː'.) Benwing2 (talk) 03:38, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

New Saxon SpellingEdit

So, since you posted on my page about it, I now see you added "New Saxon Spelling" forms on some 200 Low German entries. I think those should be undone. This system doesn't have any wide support and there really should have been a discussion first. I obviously do support normalizing spelling on German Low Saxon entries however. --{{victar|talk}} 10:03, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Huus, Huuze, HuuseEdit

Heyo, I've gone ahead and changed Huus to an altform of Húus, but I'm wondering if Huuze/Huuse shouldn't be Huze, Huse respectively? If I'm not mistaken, Saterlandic orthography uses <u> for /u/ when followed by either one consonant and a vowel or nothing. Same goes for <e> and <o>. Also, SW doesn't mention Huus at all, are you sure you didn't misspell it? <u(u)> and <ú(u)> differ regarding vowel length :) Thadh (talk) 22:53, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


@Apisite, the word Cash came from the word കാശ് AleksiB 1945 (talk) 12:17, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@AleksiB 1945: Didn't the English word cash come from the Middle French language? --Apisite (talk) 13:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
@Apisite: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/cash#Etymology_2 AleksiB 1945 (talk) 17:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
@AleksiB 1945: I changed the Malayalam entry already. --Apisite (talk) 18:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

{{bor}} and {{inh}} vs. {{der}}Edit

Hi. Please be aware of the difference between {{der}}, {{bor}} and {{inh}}. You should prefer the latter two whenever possible. For example, you used {{der}} when replacing {{etyl}} in fraude when you should probably have used {{bor}}, since it's a direct borrowing from Latin fraus. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 20:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Hebrew requestEdit


Just curious: Why did you request specifically Hebrew in this edit? Anything that particularly interests you about this language? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 18:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@Amire80: Nothing in particular. --Apisite (talk) 18:14, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Request for EtruscanEdit

Hello, why does my Category:ett:Gentes not work?--BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 10:41, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

@BandiniRaffaele2: That's because "Gentes" is not a legitimate category name. You may discuss your wish to add it to the list of category names at the Beer Parlor. --Apisite (talk) 15:40, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Ok, thanks.--BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 15:45, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Your request concerning German; Scherbenbild etc.Edit

Hi, if you have questions about German expressions, I can only recommend repeatedly to ask the Duden first whether the word is common. https://www.duden.de/suchen/dudenonline/ If the word does not exist there, the list should not be supplemented with a lot of meaningless synonyms. You should definitely not translate the given synonyms, because they have their own page. An 1:1 ratio is ideal. (Unfortunately it doesn't work very often). It is no point in translating fragments from another language and putting them back together. You can deduce the content from the partial words, but the new word is simply not necessary. It sounds like a riddle, so it may be poetic. At the same time, however, it is reminiscent of pidgin English - in German this is probably called colonial German. Those days are over.

Another option is to use the Google translator or Bing or others in parallel and back again or crossed. If several of them produce the same result, there is a good chance that the translation is correct. I wouldn't have recommended this 5 years ago, but the AI is making amazing strides.

There are now a number of online English-German dictionaries on the Internet. They should only be used for orientation. I keep finding mistakes. Wiktionary is better because errors are erased through a kind of evolution. (That's why I've been involved here for many months - albeit unregistered.) In other projects, a number of administrators from the very beginning watch over the entries and at the same time complain about too much work. Some of them sit in their own bubble with a lack of professional competence in special fields and one congratulates one another. An elitist club has emerged where newcomers only bother ...

I also recommend deleting this answer after reading it or shortening it at your own discretion so that it doesn't get too confusing on this page. In fact, I find this type of public correspondence unusual - or takes some getting used to? In any case, I thank you for your interest in my cooperation. --Herr de Worde (talk) 18:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

RE: Requests for pronunciation in Breton entriesEdit

Thanks for the link! Binarystep (talk) 20:04, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Political usexesEdit

You've been warned before that overtly political usage examples are not acceptable. (In general, quotations are always better, although even then, German was shouldn't have a quote, from, say, Mein Kampf.) This is, therefore, a warning: do not add more usexes like this to entries. Per #Usage example on Vorfahr as Lo Ximiendo, where you were blocked for a week, I will now be blocking you for two weeks. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:23, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: What made me add the usage example was, that Wikipedia has yet to have an article on the Tai Ji Men Qigong Academy. --Apisite (talk) 06:55, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
That is irrelevant. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:41, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Small note on blank linesEdit

I've noticed that you like adding a blank line between the page-initial templates (such as {{also}}) and the first language L2 header, most recently here. Please be advised that this is contrary to the established rules, see Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-11/NORM:_10_proposals#Proposal_10 and Wiktionary:Normalization_of_entries#Headings: "No blank lines between the first language heading and any preceding content." Thanks for your understanding! — Fytcha T | L | C 〉 16:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)


Hello Apisite, do you know someone that can help me with this module? Thank you.--BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 13:49, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@BandiniRaffaele2: Can you specify what the issue is? --Apisite (talk) 18:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
I don't know the first thing about editing modules.--BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 18:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


We don’t add Pali pronunciations, because Pali was/is only used as a liturgical language, and was probably never spoken as a native tongue. So there’s no need to add {{rfp}} to Pali entries, unless we ever have an IPA template for Pali in the future. Thanks. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 18:02, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Ternate tafiEdit

Hi! I noticed you added the Jawi spelling تافي (as a comment). Where did you find this? I've only been relying on de Clercq's original manuscript for "official" Jawi spellings, which unfortunately just isn't that comprehensive. Alexlin01 (talk) 04:16, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

@Alexlin01: It was just a personal guess. --Apisite (talk) 04:24, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
@Alexlin01: An honest personal guess. --Apisite (talk) 04:25, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Ahh ok no worries. Honestly, I'd guess the same if I had to. I'm not even sure how standardized the orthography in Jawi really was, but de Clercq makes it sound as if there were at least some basic spelling conventions. Alexlin01 (talk) 18:55, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Mariupol Greek verbsEdit

Hey, they're lemmatised at the first person. I don't think the infinitive marker "to" is appropriate. Thadh (talk) 09:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@Thadh: Some users at Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2022/February § Changing the default citation form for Latin verbs supported using “to” instead of “I” for Latin definitions (also lemmatizing at the first person) (e.g., “definitions like "I rain" are ridiculous, but the solution there would be to simply use infinitives in the definitions, like Sanskrit verbs do despite not being lemmatised under their infinitive.” —This, that and the other; “Oppose making the lemma form of Latin verbs anything other than 1st person singular present active indicative (or passive-for-active in the case of deponents). Can't we get a bot to go through CAT:Latin verbs and change all instances of # I [[ to # to [[?” —Mahagaja). I suppose if Latin and Sanskrit can use “to”, so could Mariupol Greek. J3133 (talk) 09:16, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Well, Ancient Greek and Standard Greek don't, and since we don't use the "I" marker, I don't see any harm done. Thadh (talk) 09:21, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Romagnol pronunciationEdit

Hello! Do you know how can I fix this white space in the pronunciation section? BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 18:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)