Biosthmors

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P.S. I standardized the transliteration of the idiom بی چشم و رو. Familiarizing yourself with the standard transliteration and templates such as {{fa-adj}} would be a good idea here. (If you know Arabic, check out the following message as well.) --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 14:38, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

مرحبا!

أهلا وسهلا بك في ويكاموس. شكرا لمساهماتك. أتمنى أن يروقك هذا الفضاء وأن تقرر المساهمة على الدوام. هذه وصلات مفيدة للمشاركين الجدد:

• دليل ويكاموس
• كيف أحرر صفحة ما
• كيف أنشئ صفحة ما
• منهاج التنسيق
• معايير قبول الصفحات
• ساحة لعب ويكاموس (حيث يمكنك تجريب الصيغ بأمان)
• ويكاموس ليس ...
• أسئلة مكررة

أتمنى أن تستمتع بالمساهمة هنا وبانضمامك إلى فريق الويكاموسيين! بالمناسبة، يمكنك التوقيع باسمك في صفحات النقاش والتصويت باستعمال أربع موجات، هكذا ~~~~، تولد هذه الصيغة اسمك وتاريخ التحرير آليا. إذا كان لديك أي سؤال، اطلع على صفحات المساعدة ولا تتردد في طرحه على الميدان أو علي مباشرة في صفحة نقاشي. مرة أخرى، أهلا بك!

حتما

Persian here doesn't use vowel markings (harakat), that's why I reverted you. —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 00:59, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Oh wait, I see now that it was identical originally. Does that alternative form even belong there? —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 01:00, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

per https://forum.unilang.org/viewtopic.php?t=8352 , I'd say yes. لطفا is another example term that ends with the "an" sound/tanvin. best. Biosthmors (talk) 01:07, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

It's correct now. There has been a recent edit where someone moved the entry at the form with tanvin to this page but didn't alter the alternative form which meant that this page linked back to itself. In the past, entries like this were at the form with tanvin, which is why I made this page as an alternative form originally. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 01:22, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

بنا - please do not copy from copyrighted sources

Hello, in your edit summary you have put that you have taken a word from Mace's book. Please do not copy from copyrighted sources. Thank you.Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 15:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand what I did wrong. I'm used to contributing to Wikipedia and observing copyright guidance there. Is there something I need to know about contributing to here or something I'm ignorant of? Should I have cited the source? Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 15:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

You can't just copy words from copyrighted sources. BTW Haim is also a copyrighted source. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 15:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

But I cited it. Should I put it in quotation marks? No information can come from copyrighted sources on this project? I'm not understanding how this dictionary is to be built. Is there a policy or something you could link to? Biosthmors (talk) 15:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I am just looking now. This was my understanding of the policy, however, but possibly an admin will come along to confirm. Persian entries are relatively few at around 8000, and it would have been easy to just sit down and copy a dictionary into Wiktionary, and have 100,000 entries but as far as I know, you can't do it because it is someone else's work. My belief was that you are supposed to write the entry yourself. If you can't do that, there are other ways you can contribute to Persian entries. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 15:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Found it: Copyrights. Look, I am going to find someone else to confirm the position as now I feel unsure. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 15:52, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. In the meantime I will cite the fact I obtained builder from Mace. Biosthmors (talk) 15:55, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, thank you. There may be a copyright-free source which would be OK to copy from as well, or just add words that you know yourself. It's OK to just add one meaning if that's all you know, and there's still lots of simple words to add. And there are other tasks to be done within Persian that anyone can do. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 15:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks. We'll figure this out. Biosthmors (talk) 16:00, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Copying entire definitions or entire lists of glosses would be problematic, but I don't think senses alone are copyrightable (it's not black and white of course, there will be grey areas).

After all, what if Biosthmors had got it from its own knowledge? Or what if he hadn't said he had got it from a dictionary? The sense would still be in that dictionary, so we would still have to remove it. That would be absurd. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 16:26, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I was under the impression, though perhaps mistakenly, that all the senses were taken from other dictionaries and Google Translate as that is what Biosthmors has referenced. There are strong reasons for us not to copy existing Persian dictionaries into Wiktionary. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 16:36, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@Kaixinguo~enwiktionary What? Do you think that it can constitute a copyright infringement to use the word builder? Ever heard about threshold of originality? That someone has collected words and given some translations is not enough for him to obtain copyright, he needs to be original, it means he must surpass average composition significantly.

Also, @Biosthmors, it is pointless to cite such books without giving the page number, and probably to put references at all if the meaning is so common. Also do not put the reference section under another language. But you’ll have to check the transcriptions as I have said in an edit summary for there appear to be two words. Palaestrator verborum ^{sis loquier 🗣} 18:34, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Look at the rest of their edits. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 18:38, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@Kaixinguo~enwiktionary They are too insignificant to be anyway near copyright infringement. The act of writing “distinct” is not copyrightable, and I have not seen anything recent and significant in copyright matters.

But yes, Biosthmors should not copy glosses but try to gloss words himself. The same words might come out as in the copyrighted dictionaries, but still it is the wrong way to work to give what dictionaries give. Glosses are not in quotation marks by the way. Palaestrator verborum ^{sis loquier 🗣} 18:49, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't think this is copyright infringement, since there is no mass importation happening and it's just a single word. Having a reference section never hurts though. —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 18:57, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

It isn't just a single word. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 18:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)