BurakD53

Macarca

Sabahınız xeyirli olsun, günaydın. Macarcadaki türk mənşəli sözlərin hamısı Oğur qanadından deyil. Daha sonra alınma qatları da var, Qıpçaqçadan və ola bilsin erkən olan Oğuzcadan (bacanaqlar) və daha sonralar Osmanlıcadan. Buna görə Macarcada hər hansı Türk mənşəli sözün var olması həmən kökün Proto-Türkcədə mövcüd olduğunu avtomatik olaraq təsdiqləmir. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 08:56, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@Allahverdi Verdizade: Günaydın. Verdiğiniz geri bildirim için teşekkür ederim. Sizinle özel olarak konuşabileceğim bir mecra ya da mail atabileceğim e-posta adresiniz var mı? İletişime geçebilirsem çok memnun olurum. BurakD53 (talk)

Buraya girib və adımı daxil edib, e-məktub göndərə bilərsiniz. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 10:09, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/semiŕ

Hi BurakD53,

THanks for creating Proto-Turkic entries!

I think we need to create a different entry Reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/semir- for the verb, and move the verb part there from subj. Would be great if you could do this.Borovi4ok (talk) 09:43, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I thank you for your kindness.) OK, that would be nice. But maybe I don't have enough resources for the verb form. I'll add what I have. BurakD53 (talk) 14:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/köpürüg

Again, I think we need a separate entry for this one, stating all derived modern forms.

Please note that *köpürüg is probably an earlier form, as seen from the Mongolic and Tungusic forms, and *köpür is a Kypchak innovation. The Chuvash form may as well be a borrowing from Tatar - this happens a lot. Borovi4ok (talk) 10:04, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it seems possible that the Chuvash borrowed the word from the Kipchaks. But I do not agree that the word “*köpürüg” is not derived from *köpür. The same development happens in the word *el. *el means hand, but *elig also means hand. Sometimes the *-ig suffix doesn't change the meaning. See *-Ig in Wikibooks Proto Turkic lesson 7. In addition, it is unlikely that the Kipchaks will swallow the ü sound at the end of the *köpürüg word. Yes, the g sound decreases, but the ü sound remains, it has always remained in these languages. BurakD53 (talk) 14:45, 26 September 2021 (UTC+3)

Well, reality is always larger than whatever templates or formulae we may have in our minds. As I see from the attested forms, *köpür is a Kypchak innovation. Anyway, I think it is worth while to create entries for both archeforms and describe the relationship between them as debatable.Borovi4ok (talk) 17:11, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

ESTJa vol. V p. 113 states that the forms with -üg are older. E.g. köprüg -> köprü -> köpür as a result of re-interpretation of köprü as a 3sg.poss and re-modelling of the stem thereafter? However, *köprüg is obviously a complex form irrespective of this, consisting of more than one morpheme, from *köpi- or *köp-? Many questions. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 23:05, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok, that's sensible. You can move the page from *köpür to *köpürüg or just add notes about it. BurakD53 (talk) 05:59, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Normally, errors must be corrected by the person who made them. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 07:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

бөртөк

Hi, I do not agree with your edits in subj. I suggest that you move your contributions to Reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/bür and keep only the forms derived from *bürtük in subj.

1. Sakha and Dolgan бурдук (burduk, “grain, crop”) cannot derive from the hypothetical Proto-Turkic *bürtük. As you know, there are regular correspondences that must be fulfilled, but fail in this case. Rather, this Sakha and Dolgan term derives from a Mongolic source, compare Buryat бурдууг (burduug, “hogwash, slop”), Mongolian бордоо (bordoo, “fodder; fertilizer”).

2. пӗрчӗ (pĕrč̬ĕ, “grain, crop”) may indeed derive from *bür (although Yegorov, the author of the Chuvash Etymological dictionary, thinks otherwise), however with a different diminutive suffix. Thus, this term again belongs to *bür, not to subj.

3. I would advise you not to have too much confidence in STARLING. There are quite a number of mistakes, errors and typos. Take it with a pinch of salt and always check for yourself. Borovi4ok (talk) 16:51, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I understand, i will creat page of Proto-Turkic *bür. BurakD53 (talk) 17:34, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hi, you've tagged several entries for speedy deletion, but the information on them needs to be moved to the correct pages before they can be deleted, and incoming links need to be updated. E.g. атуу still points back to ат- in the noun definition. I'm reverting these tags for now. Also, please don't blank a page before tagging. Ultimateria (talk) 16:08, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

This discussion continued here. BurakD53 (talk) 15:20, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

speedy deletion again

Hi. I reverted all your speedy deletion requests except for инэктэ-. When using {{d}} for speedy deletion, it's very important to (a) keep the existing content rather than blanking it, because once the page is deleted, the old content and speedy-deletion tag is all that will be seen by non-admins; (b) include a detailed message in the {{d}} tag so that people who aren't experts in the language understand why this word is being proposed for speedy deletion; (c) make sure there aren't any other pages pointing to the pages being proposed for speedy deletion. All except ат- need (a) and (b) fixed, and ат- needs (b) and (c) fixed. I know you gave the explanation that атуу exists when you proposed the speedy deletion of ат-, but that still doesn't help me understand why ат- should be deleted for Kyrgyz, much less for Southern Altai. I would like to see someone else familiar with Kyrgyz and Southern Altai weigh in. Benwing2 (talk) 06:39, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Hiya! I am no expert on Kyrgyz but I don't understand these form/stem entries. Kyrgyz verbs end in -уу, -оо or -өө. So "to shoot" is атуу (atuu) (it's also a verbal noun, if I am not mistaken), not ат- (at-). It's like making Russian verb entries стрел- (strel-) instead of стреля́ть (streljátʹ). --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 07:19, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Basically the verbs have stems + endings. The stems can be traced to other Turkic verbs but I don't know if we need entries or links for stems themselves, like here жутуу (jutuu) (жут- + -уу). So Kyrgyz verb жутуу is a cognate of Turkish yutmak but they use different endings. It may make sense to use stems on Proto-Turkic entries, like *yubut- (“to swallow”). --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 07:26, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Atitarev Hi Anatoli! Glad to see you are back. This all makes sense to me; basically the verbal noun is serving as the lemma form. Do you know if this the normal convention for Kyrgyz? I'd like to hear from other Kyrgyz editors (if there are any); I have no idea what the normal convention is and why User:Rajkiandris felt the need to put the lemmas at the stem form. Benwing2 (talk) 19:08, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi! I'm giving up. All that pages are wrong and I won't try to fix them anymore. I've already said that I explained my reason in the description. But no more argue. There are wrong verb contributions in Wiktionary and it's not my problem. Wiktionary is not my daddy's company and I'm not the footman. BurakD53 (talk) 07:28, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi BurakD53, please don't give up like this. I am just trying to make sure that things are done correctly. The thing is, Wiktionary is a wiki, which means everyone needs to contribute; if you don't help out, someone else has to do it, and we are all volunteers. Once we are sure where the lemmas ought to be, you just need to add the {{d}} template with text like "should be at lemma form атуу" or similar and make sure the proper lemma form (e.g. атуу) contains all the text from the term to be deleted, and I will delete the bad term. If the proper lemma form doesn't exist, you can move the term yourself to that lemma form and then add the {{d}} template to the old term (which will have been turned into a redirect). The reason I am questioning your commits is not personal. It's rather that in the past there have been several new people who have strong opinions on how to do things that aren't necessarily correct or standard, and I am not familiar with Kyrgyz or Southern Altai dictionary conventions so I want to make sure the standard conventions are followed. Benwing2 (talk) 19:16, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Why don't you do it? I don't have to fix users' contributes thousand times. If you don't want to see wrong contributes in Wiktionary, you can correct them. BurakD53 (talk) 19:44, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

You don't know about Kyrgyz and Southern Altai. Well, i know about Kyrgyz and I corrected all the wrong verbs, I spent my time and you reverted them. You should delete them. There is no much work, there is only deletion. Delete or don't help. I can't delete pages. BurakD53 (talk) 19:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I have already created correct pages. BurakD53 (talk) 19:48, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Thanks. There is no reason to create entries for Kyrgyz verb stems. The verb lemmas are verbal nouns, which include the endings.

@BurakD53, there is no reason for you to take offence. If you request a deletion, just provide the reason on each entry (you can copy-paste) because not everyone has the same knowledge. We actually agree with you - those entries are wrong and need to be deleted. So, please have some patience. :) Also, you don't need to delete the content, even if it's incorrect, just add {{d}} with your reasons. The deletion may not happen immediately. You'll get used to it, if you stick around.

Turkish/Turkic speaker want to know the relationships between words, so they incorrectly lemmatise verbs at their stems, so that атуу (atuu) is linked to the Turkish etmek. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:17, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

User language templates and categories

Hey! The correct templates to use for the users' Babel box templates are {{User lang-1}} etc. (with the sentence being in the singular), whereas the category should make use of {{User lang subcat}} (the sentence being in the plural here). See Template:User tr-1 and Category:User tr-1 for some nice examples. Fytcha (talk) 20:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Did I create any wrong templates? Which one? I don't remember, sorry. BurakD53 (talk) 20:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:User cv-1 and Template:User sah-1 did not work, that's why I created them. I don't know why they aren't working and how I can make them work. BurakD53 (talk) 20:44, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

I've fixed them all, they should be working now. The only thing that's missing now are the translations: Template:User cv-1, Category:User cv-1, Template:User sah-1, Category:User sah-1. Fytcha (talk) 20:57, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Fytcha: Language level translations may be borrowed from Wikipedia's Template:User_cv-1, Template:User_kk-3, etc. You would need to work out correct links in some cases. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 21:47, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Atitarev: Thanks for pointing this out, I wasn't aware. Fytcha (talk) 22:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Deletions again

Before redirecting a page or nominating it for deletion, please look at the toolbar on the left and click "What links here". You need to edit any page that links to the page that needs deleting and change the links to the new target page. Ultimateria (talk) 18:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, why did you nominate мин- for deletion? You already moved the Kyrgyz section. Do you want to delete the Southern Altai entry? If so, it needs to be moved somewhere. Ultimateria (talk) 19:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't have time for moving Southern Altai verbs and i don't have enough information about Southern Altai language. I can learn it, i can make it if i have time but i have to study for school exams. Min- was a wrong spelling and I marked it so. BurakD53 (talk) 20:34, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, i didn't know about what links here. BurakD53 (talk) 20:52, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

dirik

{{R:tr:OTK}} lists dirik as a dialectal synonym of sincap, derived from dermek. Do your references have that form too? Vox Sciurorum (talk) 14:22, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

There are tirik and tırık in dialects but i don't think they are from dermek. Maybe they are sound of squirrels. Cause dermek "to pick, gather" and squirrel are that different I can't relate them each other by their meanings. I don't have source for etymology. BurakD53 (talk) 14:50, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

derik literally means 'the one who picked/gathered". BurakD53 (talk) 14:55, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Derik with that meaning is a good name for a tree squirrel. They are known for conspicuously gathering and storing food. You can see them running back and forth with nuts in their mouths. In English we use squirrel as a verb. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

But derik means "the one who picked/gathered", it would be deren if it was "the one who picks, gathers". See also gidik "gone", yapışık "attached", yatık "lied", etc. So it should be picked/gathered by someone else, it does not pick or gather. BurakD53 (talk) 15:41, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Dirik, dırık, tirik, tırık is a dialectal word for squirrel. Tietze treats these as alternative forms of teyin, değin. But if we could instead explain it from dermek, we would have a nice typological parallel with çekelez, supposedly from "to pull, drag". Vahag (talk) 20:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Khalaj alphabet

What do you think about this: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Xenos_melophilos/Khalaj_alphabet

I won't publish it the definitions until you evaluate the alphabet

pls Xenos melophilos (talk) 16:51, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Don't base it off of Turkmen; /j/ should be <y> and /ɨ/ should be <ı>. Also, long wovels should be represented orthographically. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 17:13, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Don't make up alphabet. Use the alphabet Khalaj people use. E.g, I use TB30 Salar latin script for my Salar entries. Salar people use this alphabet. So you should find the alphabet Khalaj people use. I guess it is Persian alphabet. BurakD53 (talk) 20:53, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Although this is generally true, the reality is that if this is strictly adhered to, Khalaj (and Western Yughur, for example) will never get any entries. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 22:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Actually you're right. Maybe you should write an alphabet for these languages yourself. Sorry. I think it can have two alphabets with the persian alphabet. Which one to develop is up to the user. BurakD53 (talk) 22:58, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

i selected persianized Xenos melophilos (talk) 22:59, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Then, welcome to the Wiktionary, my friend. Welcome to the family. :) BurakD53 (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Can I ask help to you? You, know, i'm new, and maybe I would make a mistake in sources, etc..

I said Can & Ask, i'm not obliging you to help me. Xenos melophilos (talk) 23:56, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Of course you can. BurakD53 (talk) 00:03, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Khalaj persoarabic alphabetized abjad

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Xenos_melophilos/Khalaj_alphabet Suggestions? Xenos melophilos (talk) 13:23, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

maybe ڴ for /ŋ/? BurakD53 (talk) 13:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Maybe. Initially i thought about kaf with three dots, but the form with gaf convinced me more

Also, ڴ seems to be like gaf, i already putted the both in the alphabet at dawn. Xenos melophilos (talk) 13:34, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Hey thanks!

But

Why did you thanked me? Xenos melophilos (talk) 13:40, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

But if ñ represents that bunch of palatals (with ng representing that velar ŋ(g)), what'd be the arabic form?: ں, ݧ ,ࢩ (ya' with noon's dot, noon with ya's dots, or noon ghunna)

keep in mind that noon ghunna has medial and initial forms Xenos melophilos (talk) 12:19, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Khalaj latin alphabet: Circumflex vs duplication

Selam. I dunno what use for long vowels Circumflex Duplicating the latin script letters What wouldja do? Xenos melophilos (talk) 19:23, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

1. According to my edition, Khalaj arığ, which means clean, pure, will be written with اَ. The long āt meaning name will be written آ. Again, the u, ü, ö, o, i, ı sounds at the beginning of the word will be written with harakat: اُ اِ. See اَب and آب. The difference is about length. Well, you removed my edition but that's how it works in Arabic alphabet. Otherwise you can't start a short vowel, but you have to. 2. To lengthen the vowel in the Latin text, I think you can use a hat: â, ê, î, û, ô. This is how it is in Kurdish and how a Khalaj latin script prepared. A few of these letters are also in Turkish, but their function is not to lengthen, but to thin the consonant before or after it. However, it also extends in certain situations. These words are not actually Turkish. You can use the Hungarian letters ű, ő and í instead of the ü, ö, ı with hat whose code is not available or we cannot find. Well, that's my suggestion, but I don't fully support. I support find the character ü, ö, i with hat more. BurakD53 (talk) 20:09, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Okey, thanks Xenos melophilos (talk) 20:15, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Maybe you can use this ' for dublication. Like â't "name". idk. BurakD53 (talk) 21:01, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

• Long forms of a, e, i, o, ö, u, ü are written with circumflex: â, ê, î, ô, ö̂, û, ü̂
• For /æː/, and /ɨː/, ə and ı are duplicated: əə, ıı

Xenos melophilos (talk) 21:04, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

+ə̂. But double length is a different situation according to Mehmet Ölmez. There are two types of length in Khalaj. Read 5.2.3 in page 20, mehmet_olmez_halaclar_ve_halacca.pdf. BurakD53 (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Maybe âat "name", bîeş "five", hûot "fire" for double length in latin script? Just sayin'. What do you think? BurakD53 (talk) 21:34, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Isn't double length a long diphthong?

Double length reminds me Proto-Germanic Xenos melophilos (talk) 21:44, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Yea. Right. I have problems with concepts. We say ikiz uzun ünlü (lit. twin long vowels), I translated it as double long vowels/double length myself, and I've just learnt it is diphthong in English. BurakD53 (talk) 22:07, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

don't worry. Like you, I'm not a native either Xenos melophilos (talk) 22:12, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Khalaj: Latin as a alternative of Arabic or viceversa

Selam. I wanna make Khalaj entries in a Azerbaijani entrie-style. For example in دشمن I have a Khalaj Latin Alphabet and also an arabic one. The question is: What would be the main script: latin or arabic Tesekkur Xenos melophilos (talk) 00:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I really think that Arabic script will be confusing because we don't use harakats in Wiktionary and some letters like o,u,ü,ö and diphthongs can be mixed with Arabic. But I want Arabic script too because it's in use. Maybe we can also ask @Allahverdi Verdizade. BurakD53 (talk) 00:14, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

If the argument to use Arabic script is that it's what Khalaj people use, then you're placing an expectation on him that he'll draw from some sort of corpus of the language in actual use. However, the reality is that the source for Khalaj materials has been and will probably always remain scientific publications, such as Doerfer. One must always show where the form one has used comes from. Most of the materials will come from Doerfer's Latin-script cumbersome notation. Indeed, it is much more awkward to adapt a scientific notation to the Arabic script than into a Latin-based one. Therefore, I don't think Arabic script should be used as the main one. Make a nice and as neutral Latin script. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 00:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

OK. That makes sense. Then now I support Latin too. Thanks for your comment. BurakD53 (talk) 00:40, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Wish fulfilled. I did my best Xenos melophilos (talk) 17:24, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Opinion

Category:Khalaj lemmas

It's ok? Xenos melophilos (talk) 23:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

They look good, good job! But I guess there are short diphthongs too. For taağ, it's not tâağ. In Mehmet Ölmez's study, long diphthongs and dağ are different. Also, we create special pages for Turkish â letter. For example; hâlâ. Maybe you should too. Cause diphtongs will be confusing. BurakD53 (talk) 23:23, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, Ölmez's dağ is not mountain, my wrong. Forget it. But still there are short diphthongs. BurakD53 (talk) 01:03, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Yea, but in the case of a "open central short diptong" seems to be impossible

Just see and try to pronounce

/ää̯/

In contrast, the long diphthong is acoustically different

It's composed by the open back rounded vowel and the open central unrounded one

"âa" Xenos melophilos (talk) 12:52, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

I see.👍 BurakD53 (talk) 12:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

"آرپا "آ this letter is long, but arpa not. I think you should use harakat. BurakD53 (talk) 23:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

move the entry here ارپا. BurakD53 (talk) 23:29, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Short diphthongs like 'quol'? (Arm) Xenos melophilos (talk) 11:16, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

I think so. Or kien- BurakD53 (talk) 11:18, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

163 Khalaj pages,

any thought? Xenos melophilos (talk) 19:41, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

داغ vs دق

I see you wrote the word dâğ without alif and with qaf, because Ölmez wrote so

But that spelling isn't in the Wörterbuch des Chaladsch (pag. 103).

ğ is written with a gamma

It would be دق only if the qaf is pronounced as a voiced uvular stop, and if there is not long vowel

and "daq" isn't found in Doerfer

Also in Arghu the word is written داغ

so? Xenos melophilos (talk) 13:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

You can edit and move it elsewhere. I just wanted to fix the mistake I made, the one with "mountain". BurakD53 (talk) 13:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

ZWNJ or not

Selam again

I dont know how transcribe the compound words (compound words, not compound verbs) 1. In latin, the words aren't separated. The same in arabic

2 OR in latin the words are separated by a hyphen, and in arabic by a ZWNJ What do you recommend? Xenos melophilos (talk) 15:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

I think ypu can write them seperatly as in Turkish [1], if only there is no phonetic change. Just like iş birliği but cumartesi (<cuma ertesi, e dropped). Same for verbs: baş etmek, yâd etmek but kaybetmek (<kayıp etmek, ı dropped, p>b)), devretmek (<devir etmek, i dropped), etc. BurakD53 (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

OK

As the compound verbs in persian Xenos melophilos (talk) 15:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

*birle

Çuvaşça'nın *-la/-le birliktelik ekini korumasından dolayı, diğer Oğuz dillerinde ve Göktürkçe'de ki gibi olası bir *birle'den evrilmiş olmasının imkânı yok mu? Ardahan Karabağ (talk) 23:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Korumamıştır, Tatarlardan almıştır. Orijinali -па/пе olan olmalı. Zaten o yaygın, declension'da diğeri verilmiyor bile. Ayrıca -lı/li ile karıştırmadığından emin ol. Neden -ла/ле olması gereken şey -лӑ/лӗ? Eğer karıştırmıyorsan Tatarcadan olmalı. Tatarcada fark etmişsindir e>i, i>e olur. BurakD53 (talk) 23:31, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

O zaman orijinali olan "-па,-пе" *-la'dan evrilmedi mi? Oluşturduğum Proto-Türkçe sayfa silinsin mi, yoksa Common Turkic şablonu mu koyalım? Ardahan Karabağ (talk) 23:37, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Silinmesine gerek yok, sağ üst köşede move seçeneği olacak. Sayfayı *birle sözüne taşıyabilirsin. Yani ekleşmeden önceki hâlini yapılandır. Database'de bu söz var. Descendants bölümünü oradan bakarak doldurabilirsin. Eğer *birle sözü bir+le sözünden türemiştir diyorsan onu bilemeyeceğim. Akrabaları hep bilen, menen, men, ilen, vs. Türkçesi de bilen>wilen>ilen>ile olabilir. Sonuçta isimlerden daima sonra gelir, ben sözünün b'si de bu şekilde düştü. Makalelere bak bulabilirsen, belki üstünde çalışmış vardır. BurakD53 (talk) 23:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Yarın müsait olduğumda yapacağım. Fikir için sağ olun, Allah'a emanet. Ardahan Karabağ (talk) 23:54, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Rica ederim. BurakD53 (talk) 23:55, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

küneš (кӱнеш) word

I use often Räsänen's dictionary. In Räsänen's dictionary in 309 pages, kün-eš (tel) is existing. Also, Teleut is one of Southern Altai.118.216.30.67 12:05, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Räsänen's dictionary - Template:R:trk:Rasanen 118.216.30.67 12:14, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

OK.👍 So, there are both küneş and quyaş. That's fine. BurakD53 (talk) 12:18, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Use of {{lb}}

Hi. Please don't use {{lb}} in Pronunciation or Related terms sections. Using for example {{lb|slr|Qinghai}} categorizes a page into Category:Qinghai Salar, which is intended for Salar lemmas that are Qinghai-specific, which is incorrect here. You should only use {{lb}} in definitions. Use {{q}} elsewhere, or use {{a}} in Pronunciation sections. I have corrected your entries, but please make note of this in the future. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 08:14, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I actually don't use it anymore. They are my quite old Salar entries. Thanks for your help about corrections. BurakD53 (talk) 09:00, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Salar Etymology *saqsıq

At first, I made word *saqsıq, I thought that *saqsıq is composed of saqs+ıq (Earlier *saqs+ğaq) Thus, I added Bashkir cognate - һағыҙаҡ (hağıźaq).

118.216.30.67 12:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I see. I have fixed it. 👍 BurakD53 (talk) 16:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

jäjek

hello, jäjek is used for smallpox in dialectical turkmen of turkmensahra and many other local words arent attested in standard dictionaries of republic turkmen. Ryungja (talk) 14:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Then, give a reference about the dialect. *čeček has no long vowel but jäjek has, that's kinda sus. BurakD53 (talk) 14:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

h then prob the sense smallpox is from a different source with long vowel, most other turkic languages dont even have a difference of vowel length so its possible that the words were mixed up Ryungja (talk) 14:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Eğer öyle olsaydı Kaşgarlı uzun ünlü ile yazardı ya da Batı Oğuzlarda ortadaki ç sesi ötümlü, yani c/j olurdu. BurakD53 (talk) 15:11, 30 March 2024 (UTC)