User talk:Justinrleung/Archive 4

Few questions about Cantonese

Hi Justin, in Cantonese, how come you can read things in Mandarin using Cantonese readings but not the other way around? For example Mandarin 我們／我们 (wǒmen, “we”) can be read in Cantonese as 我們／我们 (ngo5 mun4) and still make sense? However, vernacular Cantonese 我哋 (ngo5 dei6) cannot be read in Mandarin as 我哋 (*wǒdì) without misunderstanding. Also, can Cantonese songs be vernacular? Thanks! – AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 06:19, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos I think this is because Cantonese is used as a language of education for Modern Standard Chinese, and the register restricted to reading and writing is called 書面話／书面话 (syu1 min6-2 waa6-2). In everyday speech, 書面話 is rarely used. And yes, there are Cantonese songs that use vernacular Cantonese, although the majority is written in Modern Standard Chinese. Many of Sam Hui's songs use vernacular Cantonese. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:32, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos: The answer is very simple. We Hong Kong people are taught 我們 (we know written Chinese as well as vernacular Chinese) but the Mainland people are not taught 我哋. --kc_kennylau (talk) 03:28, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

@Kc kennylau Good point! I'd like to add that even though 我哋 is not officially taught in Mainland, 我哋 is known by Cantonese speakers in Mainland (like in Guangzhou). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 04:09, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

阿媽

When you have some time, kindly add a source for this edit. It's quite possible that there are several divergent transcriptions of a foreign word common in the 19th century, but the modern form is 阿瑪 with different tones. — LlywelynII 00:16, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: It's from here. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 00:53, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Restoring a comment to my talk page that I myself deleted

is most certainly vandalism, if not harrassment. All the moreso when it contributes nothing substantive and is, in fact, just an editor whining about how wonderful they feel they are and terrible I am on a point they are completely wrong about. They're welcome to move it to a public forum or their own talk page (or here, if you like), but continuously restoring it to my talk page (or having third parties do it for them) is not the way to go. — LlywelynII 22:53, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Two questions

Hi Justin, I wonder if you are aware of any people in Hong Kong, who were born there, grew up speaking Cantonese, but don't look "Chinese", maybe like Europeans or Caucasians, also, I wonder if native speakers themselves make grammatical or spelling mistakes when writing or speaking Cantonese? By the way, my first name is actually Justin as well! – AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 10:07, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey Awesome Justin (if you don't mind me calling you that)! I do know that there are some non-Chinese born in Hong Kong who grew up speaking Cantonese. I know of at least three "famous" ones: Corinna Chamberlain, Gill Mohindepaul Singh and Vivek Mahbubani.

The answer to the second question should apply to any language. People can make mistakes when speaking. Take a look at Linguistic performance#Errors in linguistic performance. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:05, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, you may call me Awesome Justin! I quite like that XD!! And please tell me some examples of mistakes in Cantonese, like maybe wrong particles or leaving them out. Maybe mixing up stroke order in characters? – AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 06:20, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

A common one might be using the wrong classifier (measure word). Can't think of any more at the moment. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:24, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

simplify bolding and linking@Module:zh-usex

Some examples at 卡 are missing characters now... —suzukaze (t・c) 01:51, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c: Thanks for catching that! Should be fixed for now. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:50, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

"用水和画"

Hi Justin, I was wondering if the phrase "用水和画" referred to the notion of a watercolor painting? It seems to literally mean "use water + painting" but I'm not totally sure about that. It's the definiton for 洃. Cheers! Bumm13 (talk) 15:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

@Bumm13: It seems to be a typo. It should say 用水和面 (from 中华字海). 汉语大字典 is even more explicit: "用水調和麵粉". It would simply mean something along the lines of "to mix flour with water; to knead dough". — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:06, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

識得

你好!「識得」都未必肯呀呵? 例如「識得講英文都唔肯講」. 206.180.244.235 22:49, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

我覺得「識得」從來都唔會解做「肯」㗎囉。 — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 23:24, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

A proposal on splitting Monguor into Mangghuer and Mongghul

Hey, a proposal I've made at Wiktionary:Requests_for_moves,_mergers_and_splits#Splitting_Monguor_into_Mangghuer_and_Mongghul seems to be stuck for a long time now, could you perhaps take a look at it, share your thoughts and vote? Crom daba (talk) 00:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

//NOTE: This message was crossposted to multiple talk pages. Crom daba (talk) 00:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

自在 and 地道

Could you fix the non-Mandarin readings for these two entries when you are free? Thanks. ---> Tooironic (talk) 04:58, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

@Tooironic: They should be fine, though I have doubts on the definitions for 自在 zìzài. Is it only used as an adverb? There seems to be some missing senses. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:07, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I have also made some changes at 自在. ---> Tooironic (talk) 05:20, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

• Here's another one I'll need your help with when you get time: 發行. Thanks. ---> Tooironic (talk) 07:39, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

   Done. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:26, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

• And another: 時髦. Many thanks. ---> Tooironic (talk) 03:05, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

  @Tooironic: I can't be sure about the pronunciations for the literary sense, so I just removed them except for Cantonese. I also moved the quotation from Houhanshu to the definition line since we don't usually put attestations under the etymology header. Could you check the translation? (I'm not that good with classical Chinese.) — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 23:47, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

  Looks good to me. Thanks. ---> Tooironic (talk) 01:49, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

• And another, when you're free: 口角. Thanks. ---> Tooironic (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
• And 清亮. :) ---> Tooironic (talk) 04:55, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

  @Tooironic: Done for 口角. As for 清亮, I think the senses are under the wrong Mandarin readings (see Xiandai Hanyu Cidian).

  I have made the relevant changes now. Many thanks. ---> Tooironic (talk) 07:08, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

A Message for you

新年快樂！我祝您和平與長壽。 [MSC, trad.]
新年快乐！我祝您和平与长寿。 [MSC, simp.]

Xīnniánkuàilè! Wǒ zhù nín hépíng yǔ chángshòu. [Pinyin]

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– AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 23:39, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your greeting, Awesome Justin! A happy and blessed new year to you, too!

P.S. 平安又長壽 would probably be better. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:15, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

What languages do you hear in your home country?

Hi Justin,

What examples of different languages have you heard, whether it be tourists or people living in your country? From where I live, Australia, I hear stuff like Mandarin, Cantonese, Japanese, Korean, Hindi, Italian and many others – AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 11:06, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Where I live in Canada, it's pretty multicultural. Other than English, I've heard or know people who speak Mandarin, Cantonese, Korean, Hindi, Urdu, Tamil, Gujurati, Arabic, Polish, Persian, Spanish, French (less than you'd expect)... — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 15:44, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Cantonese

Hello. I didn't only refer to Unihan. I checked at CKC [1] [2] and it says as seen. Perhaps you could suggest more references? --Octahedron80 (talk) 04:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

@Octahedron80: This is a standard one, as @Suzukaze-c has pointed out on Talk:唄. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 04:44, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

There's also [3] which lists readings from published works, and [4] (which I suspect sometimes follows the Youbian dubian principle and is kind of questionable honestly). —suzukaze (t・c) 04:58, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, we need to be cautious when using the latter one since it includes "lazy sound" as well. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Teochew readings of 哥 and 姐

Hi Justin,

Do you or @Wyang, Octahedron80 have a resource to find the Teochew readings of 哥 and 姐? Thai has borrowed these from Teochew as โก (goo) and เจ๊ (jée) (dialectal). These words are apparently used to address Chinese shop owners in Thailand. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:55, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Atitarev, there are two online resources I know of: 潮州音字典 and Mogher. From experience, I think the first of the two is more reliable. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 00:21, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the links and for adding the Teochew readings! --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:13, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

I use Mogher too. --Octahedron80 (talk) 03:37, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Module:gan-pron

I'm not sure if you were aware that your last edit to this module seems to have caused module errors in 26 entries. See CAT:E. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:12, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz Thanks for reminding me! It should be all fixed now. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:32, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, the module errors have all gone away (anything else is beyond my expertise). Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 07:45, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

農歷新年問候

再新年發財一遍！你慶祝咗未呀？即使我咪中國人、我尊重中國文化囉。（我都為壞嘅廣東話道歉！(＞人＜;)） – AWESOME meeos ！ * (chōmtī hao /t͡ɕoːm˩˧.tiː˩˧ haw˦˥/) 09:02, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Awesome Justin，多謝嗮喎！我都祝你新年快樂、身體健康，學習語言可以步步高陞！喺我哋加拿大呢頭新年氣氛唔係咁熱鬧，但係總會同屋企人慶祝下嘅。你啲廣東話都唔算太差嘅，只係有啲奇怪啫。你上面嗰句我會噉講嘅：

再同你講聲恭喜發財！你有冇慶祝新年呀？雖然我唔係中國人，我都好尊重中國文化㗎！（唔好意思，我啲廣東話講得唔係幾好！(＞人＜;)） [Cantonese, trad.]
再同你讲声恭喜发财！你有冇庆祝新年呀？虽然我唔系中国人，我都好尊重中国文化㗎！（唔好意思，我啲广东话讲得唔系几好！(＞人＜;)） [Cantonese, simp.]

zoi³ tung⁴ nei⁵ gong² seng¹ gung¹ hei² faat³ coi⁴! nei⁵ jau⁵ mou⁵ hing³ zuk¹ san¹ nin⁴ aa³? seoi¹ jin⁴ ngo⁵ m⁴ hai⁶ zung¹ gwok³ jan⁴, ngo⁵ dou¹ hou² zyun¹ zung⁶ zung¹ gwok³ man⁴ faa³ gaa³! (m⁴ hou² ji³ si¹, ngo⁵ di¹ gwong² dung¹ waa^6-2 gong² dak¹ m⁴ hai⁶ gei² hou²! (＞jan⁴ ＜;)) [Jyutping]

(please add an English translation of this usage example)

— justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 18:56, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Error in Module:yue-pron

At the 涵 article, I'm getting a "Lua error in Module:yue-pron at line 115: Incorrect Jyutping format. Please check!" error message. Could you check this out? Thanks! Bumm13 (talk) 07:21, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@Bumm13, it should be fixed now. I made a silly mistake. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:23, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Non standard Chinese romanization entries

Any idea how to enter something like jiak ba buay? Is this considered English or Chinese?--Prisencolin (talk) 18:17, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@Prisencolin: I wouldn't enter this as Chinese. If it's attested in English (WT:ATTEST), it could have a chance of being included as English. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 18:23, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

不回答這個問題

依你的意見，你相信是生命的最好的部分什麼？對我來說，我會說直到我死，成為富有和成功將是理想的。你呢？（請不要糾正我的語法錯誤） — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 07:26, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos: hmm... am I supposed to answer, since you said 不回答這個問題? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:30, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

我對你使用逆向心理學。請回答。 — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 07:34,一刻 4 March 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos: 哈哈……我覺得認識耶穌基督是我生命中最美好、最重要的一部分，我知道我活着的每一天都是神所賜的福分，就已經很足夠了。正如你所說，人是會死的，所以如果今生只追求地上的財富，死後什麼都沒有了，倒不如現在帶着永恆的盼望活出豐盛的人生。希望這個答覆能夠滿足你的好奇心啦！

P.S. Here's what you wanted to say: 依你的意見，你相信生命最好的一部分是什麼？對我來說，我會說直到我死(那一刻)，富有和成功是我的理想。你呢？ — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:58, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

很高興知道你是基督徒。但我是不可知論者，因此，不相信神話或迷信。我沒有任何形式的靈魂。 — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 08:30, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos: 我也不相信神話，也不是迷信，而是信靠一位勝過死亡的真神，因為祂就是真理(約十四6)。 (That's short for John 14:6 in Chinese. Isn't that neat?) — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 08:42, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

According to Chinese Wikipedia: 「科學活動所得的知識是條件明確的（不能模棱兩可或隨意解讀），能經得起檢驗的，而且不能與任何適用範圍內的已知事實產生矛盾。」如果我想知道基督教存在，我需要把它考驗。但在路加福音 4:12，它說「不可試探主—你的上帝。」我相信理由和證據；我也是逻辑的人。 — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 09:06, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

忘掉它。我這裡浪費了我的生命。 — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 09:26, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos At least you practised your Chinese (if that's more important for you). I hope it didn't waste too much of your time, but I think this is quite important (as I've said earlier). Anyway, good discussion. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 09:32, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

re:Module:nan-pron

The problem I want to fix is converting "o͘" of POJ to "oo" of TL.--Yoxem (talk) 07:24, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

@Yoxem, ok, thanks! It should be fixed now. Tell me if there's any other problem. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:31, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

• The module seems to be a bit broken. See CAT:E. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 01:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

  @Metaknowledge: it should be fixed for now. It was trying to catch wrong POJ spellings. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 01:36, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

我的信息圖表

你好賈斯汀！我做了信息圖表（用英語 ）關於我自己。你想想什麼？ — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 01:01, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos 我覺得蠻有趣的！（其實我叫路明的哦） — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 01:28, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Good ta' know! (but what do you mean by 路明; sorry, but I don't understand) — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 01:34, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos That's my Chinese name :) — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 01:36, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Nice! I'm planning to make another version with more facts about myself. Anything you want to know more? — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 01:37, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos Nothing much, really... whatever you want to tell people. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 01:40, 12 March 2017 (UTC)