Lazarus1907

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cor

Hi Lazarus. None of those terms derive directly from Latin cor:

• acordar is from *accordare;
• acordeón is from German Akkordion; the Latin root is, again *accordare;
• coraje is from Old French corage
• coral is a derivative of the Spanish word cor (which can be listed)
• cordial is from cordialis
• misericordia is from misericordia
• recordar is from recordor

— Ungoliant ^(falai) 19:41, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello again, Thanks for such a detailed explanation! I do appreciate your time and patience and I'm glad to see that I've been corrected by someone more knowledgeable than me. Let me see if I get this:

• "Recordar" comes from Middle Latin "accordāre", not directly from "cor".
• "Acordeón" indeed comes from German Akkordion (through French accordéon), if I'm not mistaken, coined by a Viennese musician after Vulgar Latin *accordare (from ad- + cor), so not a direct descendant.
• "Corage" seems to be "corages", from Middle French, so it is obviously out.
• Why is "coral" then not listed in your correction?
• "Cordial" indeed comes from "cordiālis", and "recordar" comes from "recordor".

So, for some reason, this list should not list any descendant which are compounds using the root "cor" (e.g. concordo, recordor, discordia...), right? If so, can I ask who made this decision in the first place, and why? (if you don't mind answering yet another question). Thanks in advance and kind regards.

— User:lazarus1907 ^{(User talk:lazarus1907)} 23:55, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I don’t know if anyone made the decision explicitly, it’s just the common practice; indirect descendants have always been removed by various editors. The reasons for this become clear after you spend some time editing Wiktionary: it clutters the descendants section and causes unnecessary duplication of content (for example, the Spanish word misericordia would be have to be listed as the descendant of misericordia, misericors, misereo, miser and cor).

Admittedly, this practice is kind of hypocritical because terms derived from Latin indirectly with regards to loaning or inheritance are included (for example, castellum lists castillo as a descendant, but in fact its immediate etymon is the Old Spanish word castiello). — Ungoliant ^(falai) 00:16, 24 December 2014 (UTC)