Wiktionary:Feedback

This page is for collecting feedback from Wiktionary readers. It should be cleaned out on a three-month basis, as new comments are constantly being added. Feel free to reply to and discuss comments here, though bear in mind that the people who leave the feedback may never come back to read replies. By convention, the feedback is not archived.

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Frequently asked questions
Do you have general questions about the Wiktionary? See Help:FAQ.


  • Q. Why don’t you provide audio files giving the pronunciations of all entries?
  • A. The recording of audio files requires volunteer editors who have the right equipment and software, and who know how to upload these files to the Wikimedia Commons. All this is somewhat time-consuming, and it seems that at the moment we simply don’t have editors who are able to do this for us regularly. We suggest that you learn how to read the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) transcriptions of pronunciations. For English entries, you can visit Appendix:English pronunciation, which you can also reach by clicking on the “(key)” link next to the word IPA on entry pages.


For questions about the Word of the Day, see Wiktionary:Word of the day/FAQ.

May 2020Edit

coniugoEdit

In the classical pronunciation sound file, the stress is on the 2nd syllable, it should be on the first (as correctly transcribed phonetically) —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 104.238.59.163 (talk) at 01:58, 6 May 2020 (UTC).

At the risk of being accused of harassment, @EncycloPetey created this sound file. Perhaps he could replace it with one that has the correct stress. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:08, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
What's an American dude doing adding Latin pronunciation anyway, when we can go in our time machine back to Ancient Rome and get a native speaker to record an audio file? --Undurbjáni (talk) 22:32, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Ah yes, they didn't have broadband in Ancient Rome, silly me --Undurbjáni (talk) 22:32, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
lol --BoldLuis (talk) 10:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Feedback on appearanceEdit

"We are particularly interested in hearing things you want changed about the appearance of Wiktionary"

Like Wikipedia, those Wikimedia sites need to provide easy access to a layout switch, featuring a one column-only layout (like mobile Wikipedia). Thus, I can size my browser window down efficiently, without that infinite extended side bar at the left. The side content would probably become menus with pop-up lists. Also there should be a simple, direct dark mode for even logged-out users. Just one dark mode would make a lot of difference, just as there is already one default light theme.

—⁠This unsigned comment was added by 189.40.75.168 (talk) at 03:22, 7 May 2020 (UTC).


So, feature requested (layout switch) resume:
  • One column-only layout (as mobile Wikipedia, without extended side bar at the left).
  • Dark mode (layout). My comment---->Perhaps can also can be passed to Phabricator: (otherwise changing optional css cannot be used) .--BoldLuis (talk) 11:01, 16 May 2020 (UTC). --BoldLuis (talk) 11:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
If you scroll to the bottom of any page and click the "Mobile view" link in the footer (or change the URL to say en.m.wiktionary.org instead of en.wiktionary.org), you'll get the mobile view even on desktop. I believe you will stay in mobile view until you click the corresponding link to go back to desktop view (or change the URL to say en.wiktionary.org instead of en.m.wiktionary.org). I am submitting this reply using the mobile interface, in a desktop browser, just to try it. (In previewing this edit, I notice that, weirdly, my name in my signature appears blue (except for the O, which is red), when it should currently appear red because I have no user page here yet. Same with the "t" for my talk page.)
That doesn't help with dark mode, but I've seen that there are browser extensions that purport to provide a dark mode for all websites, somehow. Of course, browser extensions have the issues that they may not work with your preferred browser, they may slow down browsing, and they may turn evil in the future and harvest your personal data/direct you ad-ridden websites/do other evil stuff.
If we're going to Phabricator, I'd consider requesting an on-the-fly skin changer, because I like both Vector and Timeless, and would like to be able to switch between them frequently (without having to go to my preferences or manually add a parameter to the URL). If that gets implemented, then the dark mode could be implemented as a "Vector Dark" skin, and you could set your hypothetical skin changer to show both Vector and Vector Dark (or MonoBook and MonoBook Dark, or whatever) for you to choose from depending on time of day/mood/whatever. That might even work for logged-out users—I'm pretty sure manually adding a skin parameter to the URL works for logged-out users, so I imagine that the hypothetical on-the-fly skin changer could too. PointyOintmentt & c 09:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Show the IPA symbol for French conjugated verb entriesEdit

For example, the entry conseillerez shows no pronunciation, but if I click the linked infinitive verb entry, I can see the IPA symbol for the conjugated form there. Aren't the separate conjugated verb entries and the conjugation table on the infinitive verb entries generated automatically? Then, why not show the IPA symbol on the conjugated verb entries, too, using the same existing data? Then I would not have to navigate to the linked page and search the table to see the pronunciation.

Come to think of it, why not show the conjugation table in the conjugated verb entries, too? The page is practically empty; having a table there would not hurt.

—⁠This unsigned comment was added by Sin Jeong-hun (talkcontribs) at 23:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC).

It's a good point. conseillerez was originally created by User:Keenebot2, the bot of a renowned vandal. I happen to know for a fact that that user originally wanted to include pronunciation in all of the conjugated French verbs, but was too lazy to go through with it. It's a pity, but we could probably get someone to make a bot or a program whereby en.wiktionary steals the pronunciation from fr.wiktionary. --Undurbjáni (talk) 22:29, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
So, I added pronunciation to conseillerez - a tiny drop in a huge ocean, I know, but it shows that we at Wiktionary care about users' comments. --Undurbjáni (talk) 22:34, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Good idea to have more IPA pronuncations automatically. --BoldLuis (talk) 11:05, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

boultEdit

a) where has the "watch this page" link gone? It seems to be only available when you do an edit of the page. b) wow. Has wiktionary editing got complex or what! Just hope someone can format my entries ok. —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Richardb43 (talkcontribs) at 04:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC).

@Richardb43: You may not be familiar with the Vector skin. Maybe you see a star you can click? Or you can press Alt+Shift+W. A lot of Wiktionary is handled by templates and Lua modules, so that can be confusing or complicated at first but it makes things much more standardized and reliable ultimately. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:01, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
But, yes, Wiktionary editing gets more complex by the year. That's probably one reason that we don't have as many active editors as we'd like - but we have a tutorial to help. --Undurbjáni (talk) 22:25, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

PriestEdit

How come you do not have a definition of a Priest in theological terms? —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 2001:bb6:4121:7c58:3d3b:56fc:5ff6:b3d9 (talk) at 14:09, 13 May 2020 (UTC).

You were looking at the proper noun (hence the capital letter "P"). For the common noun, see priest. — SGconlaw (talk) 14:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

pokeEdit

Under Etymology 4 of the English word, there's a link to the definition of the Hawaiian word but the entry lacks a Hawaiian section. —⁠184.208.121.250 15:59, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, we're not very good at Hawaiian here on Wiktionary - not a lot of active users that know the language. I added the word to the Hawaiian request page, so maybe someone will add it one day. --Undurbjáni (talk) 22:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Category:da:MaterialsEdit

What nonsense is this "If you have time, leave us a note" at the bottom of the left margin? Where did the language links (link to Wikidata) go? --LA2 (talk) 16:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@LA2: it means that “Category:da:Materials” has no equivalents in other languages. Compare kalksten – you’ll see a list of language links. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I see now that this link has always been there. But something else is missing. I wanted to add the language link and I couldn't. See Wiktionary:Grease pit#Add language links. --LA2 (talk) 16:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

pailEdit

I use the terms garbage pail and trash pail to refer to a large (e.g., 30-gallon) household container, typically kept outdoors, that is made of plastic rather than metal because it doesn't seem right to me to call it a garbage can or a trash can . The entry for pail seems to lack a definition for this use. In addition, to find translations for pail, the reader is directed to the entry for bucket. I looked for a Spanish word for pail in the aforementioned sense but after looking at the corresponding entries for a few in the Spanish Wiktionary, I'm unsure the ones for bucket work for this use. —⁠184.208.121.250 17:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
I see now that Wiktionary has entries for garbage pail and garbage can. The former essentially directs the reader to the latter, and the latter has Spanish translations more suitable than those at bucket. —⁠184.208.121.250 18:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

kingaEdit

Would it be possible to have a button "expand all" in conjugation for Swahili verb ? It's very annoying to have to expand them all one by one to be able to search. For example, if I want to know which tense is "utumiavyo", I expand all the tense and then do a search with the browser. —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 196.207.146.129 (talk) at 11:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)‎.

@196.207.146.129: there is a "Show inflection" link in the menu bar on the left side of the screen. Clicking it will open all the conjugation sections. — SGconlaw (talk) 11:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Appendix talk:Glossary of military slangEdit

I just wanted to leave one I don't see on the list which is "No Joy" which I belive means did not happen, or did not complete mission, No success. —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 161.69.122.15 (talk) at 12:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC).

Word of the day: circumscribeEdit

—⁠This unsigned comment was added by 174.244.176.251 (talk) at 16:29, 18 May 2020 (UTC).

That word was Word of the Day on 10 August 2008. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

TurdetaniEdit

How the heck do you pronounce this in English? --2600:8804:1:DF00:4875:38DD:19B8:1E44 03:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Not sure, but I added {{rfp}} to the entry. We generally deal with pronunciation requests pretty fast --Huckerby980 (talk) 00:11, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Word of the day: floriographyEdit

This is nice but needs you do say it more nicely please —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 41.114.12.104 (talk) at 10:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC).

The guy making the audio does sound pretty grumpy, to be fair. But it's all we have. --Huckerby980 (talk) 00:11, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Womble is a proper name.Edit

Womble is a proper name! —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Po1orw (talkcontribs) at 20:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC).

We know.184.208.33.144 01:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

crateEdit

I believe crate training should be added as a derived term but I don't know where it should be added, under the noun or under the verb definitions. —⁠184.208.33.144 01:09, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

OK, crate training has been added as a Derived term at crate. I bet we'll have an entry for it before the end of June, too. Sometimes it takes a while to make an entry, as we have to get the wording just perfect. Other times we lift the definition directly from Wikipedia, and it takes 10 seconds. --Huckerby980 (talk) 00:09, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
@Huckerby980: Thanks! —173.129.221.165 02:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

beevesEdit

Hi there,

The term Beeves is used mostly by farmers in common parlance.. Example - they (farmers) commonly refer to 'Beeves' when they refer to how many cows/bulls/oxen where slaughtered today.

kind regards

Alan Key

—⁠This unsigned comment was added by 5.65.49.132 (talk) at 03:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC).

Thanks, but we already knew that and have citations spanning 5 centuries (we're pretty smart, you see) --Undurbjáni (talk) 09:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
No, that isn't what our context label says. If Mr. Key is right, it might be appropriate to note that somehow, since the usage he describes is neither "archaic" nor "humorous." Andrew Sheedy (talk) 02:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

o'clockEdit

I love the content of wiktionary, but style-wise it still looks like it's from the early 00's (it probably has changed a lot since then. I very much like the modern styles other wikis have, e.g. wiki.js —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 2003:ca:bf49:a500:4906:a00f:cffb:1f86 (talk) at 07:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC).

We're early 00's and proud of it (from 2002, actually!). If by modern styles you're referring to the You-tube, Insta-gram, Twitter, FriendsReunited, Snap-chat and Myspace links, we're not likely to include them any time soon. One of the most hi-tech things we have is a Citations timeline like on Citations:months. OK, I see your point. --Undurbjáni (talk) 10:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm sorry anonymous commenter, but I couldn't disagree with you more. The latter-day vectorised and "burger menu" ridden pages are not appropriate for desktop computers, and look ugly when used on them. I for one hope that we never switch to such design. If you want a design like that, go to the mobile versions of Wikimedia project websites. Tharthan (talk) 00:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
There's about nothing worse I could think of for this dictionary than to give it a user interface reminiscent of modern web applications like those mentioned above. PseudoSkull (talk) 02:33, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Agreed. Modernization is not always the best way to go. We are not a social media platform, we're a dictionary. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 05:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

goose is cookedEdit

Also the long unseen "cake is/will be dough", of the same apparent meaning. 100.40.128.39 17:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/bʰréh₂tērEdit

I just wanted to say that your articles about reconstructing the Indo-European language are amazing. —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 2804:14c:cc91:8518:ed09:851c:3a10:1898 (talk) at 05:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC).

Yeah, we have a lot of input into these "Recons", as we call them. Personally, I have no time for such pages, dismissing them as completely hypothetical crap, but other users are fond of them and they do more good than harm. Hope to hear from you again! --Huckerby980 (talk) 03:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

wollenEdit

I think that the spelling of this name is a bit off

The form that uses a w was originally marked by two V's it was pronounced like a G when William the conqueror came from france. "Golem" it is likely the origin of the word VOL-UME

—⁠This unsigned comment was added by 69.139.103.0 (talk) at 07:16, 31 May 2020 (UTC).

Word of the day: salami-sliceEdit

most unique great word. —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 105.112.58.9 (talk) at 10:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC).

I will pass on the comment to XY3999 (talkcontribs), who first added the word. --Huckerby980 (talk) 00:15, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
@Huckerby980: XY3999 is currently blocked forever, which you probably discovered if you visited that user's page after you posted here. —⁠173.129.221.165 02:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
LOL! He's the same person as the user he pinged. WF trolling at his best. PseudoSkull (talk) 02:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

June 2020Edit

енглескиEdit

Hey guys! I know you probably heard this thousands of times, but thank you for your hard work! I have recently started learning French and Serbian and this site is great learning asset. I hope you guys are well in spite of COVID and the general turmoil going on in the world. Have a great summer - even if you have to stay at home for now. —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 152.44.38.77 (talk) at 08:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC).

We do not hear this thousands of times - people normally point out a random error. On behalf of the entire Wiktionary community, I acknowledge the thanks and in return thank you for your kind comments. I cannot speak for anyone but myself about the virus and the turmoil, but in the place where I am at in the world, things are pretty sweet now. --Huckerby980 (talk) 00:05, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Word of the day: bodice ripperEdit

DISGUSTING —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 223.179.240.214 (talk) at 16:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC).

If you thought that was bad, you should see some of the ones that were actually rejected. — SGconlaw (talk) 17:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add preference to automatically unhide declensionsEdit

Hello,

One of my main uses of Wiktionary is to see the declension patterns of words (i.e. in Russian) and it is frustrating to have to click every time on a radio button to unhide the declension patterns. It would be great if there was a way to show the declension patterns by default.

Thanks,

Grateful User —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 2601:586:4680:F30:2C11:9EF1:D06D:7DE2 (talk) at 16:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC).

I think if you create an account, the website will remember that you have previously clicked on the radio button by using a cookie. You then don’t need to do that repeatedly. SGconlaw (talk) 04:26, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Special:SearchEdit

thanks so much for the website. i really don't have anything to complain about it all i can say is that this is a great website. —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 41.113.33.234 (talk) at 21:06, 5 June 2020 (UTC).

On behalf of the community, I acknowledge the thanks. We aim to please. As for not having any complaints, brilliant! Though if you spend enough time here, you're bound to find some things to complain about. --Huckerby980 (talk) 09:02, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

تجاوزEdit

Great site! I'm using it every day. Thank you for the tremedous efforts you made! —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 2003:dd:cf0a:36e8:cde5:b586:2d91:307 (talk) at 15:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC).

As always, we appreciate the positive feedback. Hopefully the next time you use it you can look up the word tremendous. As for our entry for تجاوز, yes, it is one of the better Arabic entries we have. --Huckerby980 (talk) 03:24, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Word of the day: fillipEdit

also slang for a tip, gratuity —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 31.51.51.22 (talk) at 10:42, 10 June 2020 (UTC).

گاݨا - Punjabi letters not being transliterated properlyEdit

The ݨ (ṇ) and ࣇ (ḷ), written in Shahmukhi Punjabi, aren’t transliterated —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Taimoorahmed11 (talkcontribs) at 23:10, 12 June 2020 (UTC).

Wiktionary:Requested entries (Hindi)/Multilingual list of Indian family relation namesEdit

Hi want to add some marathi names of relations. i dnt have marathi font right now.. please update at your end.

  • साली (sālī) - Mehuni
  • साला (sālā) - mehuna
  • दामाद (dāmād) / जमाई (jamāī) - javai
  • बहू (bahū) - soon
  • ससुर (sasur) - sasra
  • सास (sās) - saasu
  • भतीजी (bhatījī) - putni
  • भानजी (bhānjī) - bhachi
  • भतीजा (bhatījā) - putanya
  • भानजा (bhānjā) - bhacha
  • समधी (samdhī) - vyahi
  • समधन (samdhan) / समधिन (samdhin) - vihin

Thanks,
Sheetal. —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 103.86.181.236 (talk) at 05:53, 16 June 2020 (UTC).

Category:English swear wordsEdit

This page has a list of swear words, and two variations of the n-word are included. The n-word is not a swear word, it is a racial slur. It should not be included on this page, as it does not fit the category and its presence on the list promotes the normalization of racism. I can’t remove it because the page is locked. Can it be removed from that list any other way? —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 2600:1700:b16:2620:adaa:ef80:2282:b5d7 (talk) at 22:42, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

Yeah, you're probably right. I removed it from the category. --Nueva normalidad (talk) 21:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

belieEdit

Congratulations are perhaps in order to the maintainers of this verb's wiktionary entry. You have good ears to its resonances, at least for this 73 year old Canadian. Merci beaucoup! —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Rbody (talkcontribs) at 17:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC).

It could be better. In fact, I improved it, correcting and adding a date to a quote on it. --Nueva normalidad (talk) 00:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Special:SearchEdit

Thanks for this app —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 83.137.8.9 (talk) at 10:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC).

IMHO, the application is not that good - to get the whole experience you gotta use a computer (and you could use 3D glasses too, if you want...not that they do anything...) --Dada por viva (talk) 17:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

thermoelasticityEdit

ترموالاستیک —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 46.62.177.225 (talk) at 17:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC).

Ros AltmannEdit

You can not find "Ros Altmann" nor "Rosalind Altmann" if you search, but there is an article "Rosalind Altmann" (Ros Altmann). —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Elbeagle (talkcontribs) at 00:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC).
I´m sorry, my fault, I thought I was reading Wikipedia,and I was writing for Wikipedia, but it was Wiktionary. Yes, there is an article "Ros Altmann" in Wikipedia. —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Elbeagle (talkcontribs) at 00:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC).

童年Edit

I just discovered this site and i really like it, thank you all! —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 201.242.73.204 (talk) at 14:50, 29 June 2020 (UTC).

Thanks for the message. We've been working hard to make it pretty. We can even communicate with a limited range of emoticons these days. --Dada por viva (talk) 17:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020Edit

bitchesEdit

the slang "bitch/bitches" is used to refer to annoying/dumb females of the human kind. It can also be used towards the male kind, but it doesn't hit as hard. —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 77.223.242.151 (talk) at 10:32, 1 July 2020 (UTC).

Yep, we agree with you. Our entry for bitch is pretty complete. Especially our euphemisms - bih, biatch/biotch; beatch/beotch, binch, biyatch/biyotch, beeyatch/beeyotch, bizatch/biznatch. Someone could probably whip up a nice euphemistic entry for female dog. --Dada por viva (talk) 17:37, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

перстEdit

  1. указу́ющий перстukazújuščij perstpointing finger
    —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 106.168.118.211 (talk) at 11:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC).

Wiktionary:Main PageEdit

Hello Does anybody know where to find a proper noun speller dictionary on Wiktionary, or a list with (all) English proper nouns? It could also be a link to a list of all proper nouns entries in Wikipedia, or an index / thesaurus? Thank you in advance Lana567 —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Lana567 (talkcontribs) at 09:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC).

@Lana567 A list of all English proper noun entries can be found at Category:English proper nouns. Hopefully this was useful to you. PseudoSkull (talk) 10:47, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much @PseudoSkull - a list of all proper nouns, that is exactly what I am looking for! —⁠This unsigned comment was added by Lana567 (talkcontribs) at 19:36, 4 July 2020 (UTC).

accorsiEdit

accorsi is also the first-person singular past historic of accorgersi —⁠This unsigned comment was added by 208.83.169.203 (talk) at 14:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC).

Yep, thanks a lot. Our Italian bots missed that one. I also added a line to accorse (no need to thanks me, it's part of my job) --Dada por viva (talk) 17:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Organization of Latin pages (specifically adjectives and participlesEdit

Pages for Latin adjectives and participles which display forms which are not the nominative (i.e. the main page for the word) appear in a somewhat cumbersome manner. As shown below.

spērantēs

  1. nominative masculine plural of spērāns
  2. nominative feminine plural of spērāns
  3. accusative masculine plural of spērāns
  4. accusative feminine plural of spērāns
  5. vocative masculine plural of spērāns
  6. vocative feminine plural of spērāns

This could be said in three lines instead of six.

  1. nominative masculine feminine plural of spērāns
  2. accusative masculine feminine plural of spērāns
  3. vocative masculine feminine plural of spērāns

Sorry, I'm sure there is a way to add an 'and' or 'or' between the two, I'm pretty new to this, but I'm working on a research project and seeing it spread out is kind of chaotic. Additionally, the inclusion of the vocative is a bit unnecessary. Most regular users of Latin will know the vocative matches the nominative in all declensions (except for -us termination 2nd declension, and the occasional Greek 1st declension (i.e. Aeneas)).

With 3rd declension adjectives, and some forms of 1st and 2nd which are shared across all three genders, like -īs or -ibus being the dative and ablative plural for masculine, feminine and neuter, do we really need 6 lines to convey that information? I feel this could be cleaned and presented more concisely. Thoughts?

—⁠This unsigned comment was added by ColinJParry (talkcontribs) at 03:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC).