Talk:kolovrat
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Droigheann in topic Right-wing symbol?
Right-wing symbol? edit
Supposedly also a right-wing symbol of some kind: might be the same as the "black sun" symbol? Equinox ◑ 07:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's used by Slavic neopagans, and thus also by Eastern European right-wingers, that is how I first encountered it. Eastern European black metal bands tend to like it, and black metal is often far-right in its politics. I don't think it's equivalent to the black sun, although it is similar. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 09:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Mnemosientje: So should there be a separate sense from the existing "spinning wheel", or is it just meant to depict one of those? Equinox ◑ 09:43, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Equinox: Yes, probably. I don't know if it's durably citable for Czech and Serbo-Croatian, although Croatian Wikipedia does have an article for the symbol. Apparently it's supposed to represent the sun, and is seen as a Slavic swastika variant. I think it's more common in Russia and Ukraine, where Rodnovery has a longer history, so it probably is citable in the case of Russian and Ukrainian коловрат (which has this sense) and коловорот. You'd have to ask a Yugoslavian or Czech if these are attested in their languages. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 10:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Never heard of this sense in Czech, only the 'manufacturing ' one. Admittedly, I haven't followed (even mainstream) Czech politics for a couple of decades. Czech Wikipedia's article doesn't mention it either. --Droigheann (talk) 18:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- I’ve added some Serbo-Croatian senses, but wasn’t able to find enough durably archived cites of this symbol sense, probably in part because it’s fairly new. It definitely has some currency on the Internet, though. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 17:10, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- I think we can pass all that you see used as of clearly widespread use. Because if you can buy it in many shops in various forms (necklace, sticker, air freshener etc.) then it is of clearly widespread use, and mention of this item will also be durably archived at tax offices and the archives it gets passed to. I also remind of the circumstance that it will naturally occur in many printed black-metal and pagan-folk albums that you don’t just find. Fay Freak (talk) 17:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Equinox: Yes, probably. I don't know if it's durably citable for Czech and Serbo-Croatian, although Croatian Wikipedia does have an article for the symbol. Apparently it's supposed to represent the sun, and is seen as a Slavic swastika variant. I think it's more common in Russia and Ukraine, where Rodnovery has a longer history, so it probably is citable in the case of Russian and Ukrainian коловрат (which has this sense) and коловорот. You'd have to ask a Yugoslavian or Czech if these are attested in their languages. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 10:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Mnemosientje: So should there be a separate sense from the existing "spinning wheel", or is it just meant to depict one of those? Equinox ◑ 09:43, 21 January 2021 (UTC)