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Talk:yak shaving

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Odd definitionEdit

Yak shaving isn't pointless; yak shaving is something that's tangental to what you should be doing, and not necessary. For instance: "My goal was to recompile my project, but I saw an error message so bad that I had to blog about it. When I went to my blog, I noticed Wordpress was out of date, so I updated it. But it was incompatible with my tagging plugin, so I had to do a google search to find a way to import my tags. I never did get the recompile finished; I spent the whole day yak shaving." --Sdfisher 23:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this. Definition (2) seems contrary to the whole point of yak-shaving, which is that in order to do A, one first has to do B, which in turn requires that you first do C, etc. The tasks aren't "less useful", they are only "apparently" not useful. And they don't represent "procrastinating", because they do in fact serve a larger purpose, as in definition (1). -- 76.178.31.123 19:01, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
I also agree: Definition (2) is just wrong. None of the article's citations agree with that usage. And on the very few occasions when I have encountered being used in something like that manner in the wild , the speaker was immediately corrected by someone more familiar with the term. (I am myself a native speaker of MIT jargon who has been using the term literally since the day Jeremy Brown first brought it to the attention of the rest of the community, outside the AI lab. ) Is there some compelling reason not to just delete that second definition?--Xela (talk) 21:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

EtymologyEdit

This phrase comes from Carlin Vieri, a student at MIT, with a good explanation at http://projects.csail.mit.edu/gsb/old-archive/gsb-archive/gsb2000-02-11.html. The Jargon File page on yak-shaving suggests Vieri might have taken the name from Ren & Stimpy. I'm not sure how to properly format the etymological entry (or if this is more historical than etymological, perhaps belonging on WikiPedia:yak shaving instead), so I'm leaving this as a comment in the discussion. -- Adam Katz 16:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I do claim to have coined the term. I was physically at MIT from 1993 to 1998, so the term was in (sparse) use before 1998, although Jeremy Brown's Feb 2000 GSB message was the first web reference. The term is often incorrectly attributed to the Media Lab, but I was at the AI Lab (now CSAIL). The Jargon File entry has since been corrected, although I think Seth Grodin's blog is perpetuating the error (although he was nice enough to credit me later).

Though not a regular viewer of Ren and Stimpy, I did see the Yak Shaving Day episode and thought it bizarre enough to be the end of a long chain of tasks. The original primary task that caused me to start shaving a yak was trying to overnight a document. Getting the AI lab to pay for FedEx or DHL was very difficult at the time!

There was a wikipedia entry for a while, but alas it has been removed. -- Cvieri 01:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update (68 months ago). I see the citation was added, then declared invalid because a movie in 1950 mentioned yak shaving in a different context, then Vieri's portion was removed on the assumption that it the movie was definitive. I just brought it back. I made the unorthodox move of actually citing this talk page and the above comment as "proof" because it does look like it comes from Vieri (LinkedIn shows the same time at the lab, Jargon File and Godin both trust the GSB post) and I don't want to risk another odd purported prior mention repeating this cycle. I first heard this term in 2005 via CSAIL. At that time, the only noteworthy online reference to the term was that GSB mail, so there was no reason to doubt its integrity. Adam Katz (talk) 10:21, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Interesting etymology note - I had always assumed the term was related to configuring GNU Emacs! -- 70.76.46.117 00:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't this article include Merlin Mann or Seth Godin's example where the actual result of the yak shaving _is_ yak shaving? 124.191.2.94 04:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requests for verification - keptEdit

Kept. See archived discussion of May 2008. —This unsigned comment was added by Connel MacKenzie (talkcontribs). 15:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Usage exampleEdit

From http://nymag.com/news/features/56793/index4.html:

"It began in 2003 when the British tech writer Danny O’Brien, frustrated by his own lack of focus, polled 70 of his most productive friends to see how they managed to get so much done; he found that they’d invented all kinds of clever little tricks—some high-tech, some very low-tech—to help shepherd their attention from moment to moment: ingenious script codes for to-do lists, software hacks for managing e-mail, rituals to avoid sinister time-wasting traps such as “yak shaving,” the tendency to lose yourself in endless trivial tasks tangentially related to the one you really need to do."

--Gwern 20:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)