Cpt.Guapo
Only the lemma form (masculine singular, for adjectives) should be listed in translation tables. — Ungoliant (falai) 23:17, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
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Excessive links in examples edit
Hello, Cpt.Guapo. You may have noticed me undoing one of your recent edits (i.e. 内?oldid=63189700#Japanese). This and the other edits like it where you tack on links to the examples to the point of excess is something I find detrimental to the readability of the entries; adding links to basic vocabulary like particles and words like する and だ is unecessary and simply adds clutter, just as definite articles and words like estar and ter in Portuguese don't need links. WT:EXAMPLES states somewhat draconianly that there shouldn't be any links in examples (Example sentences should: [...] not contain wikilinks), though I believe there to be a good middle ground between the two. I'd like to hear your rationale surrounding the edits you've made. Regards, Orcaguy | Write me | Mon œuvre 14:50, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, Orcaguy. First of all sorry for the late response. The daily routine here has being crazy… Talking about the undoings, I didn't really realized that, probably because I don't watch those pages... At least I didn't receive any notifications here...
- Anyway, as for main subject, I think Wiktionary is a dictionary above all else and should be accessible and directed most to people who are learning and for the curious ones, which I believe is the bigger amount of users around here. OK, the rules are saying to behave like you did, but I think it's time to review a bit that approach. Most of people just want to learn about some words, punctuation and idioms and feel frustrated when see some term and that one doesn't have any link to it, having to copy and paste on the search field, or other non-intuitive way of research. Of course the advanced features are a differential and make the site unique, let’s keep them always improving.
- When you say that particles and words are unnecessary you're not thinking about the people I mentioned, especially the learners (me included, an advanced one, but still a learner). I had an experience last year when I indicated the English Wiktionary to some Japanese learners (some dozens) and the thing they most complained about was the fact the particles, different punctuation and some words, like the examples, not being clickable with the links to main entries explaining them… That made me change the way I see Wiktionary, which, with the way current rules are applied, looks like a tool only for advanced users and Linguists-only site. I think we are forgetting the mass here…
- So, based on all that, that’s why I do the things that way. The rules don’t approve it, they exist to keep thing organized, but I think, considering the facts I exposed here, maybe we can reach a consensus on how we can support both ways, so that the experience with Wiktionary could be much better to all type of audiences.
- Some time ago, we discussed a little about that matter here, in case you want to understand a bit more: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User_talk:Suzukaze-c#Doubts_about_the_reversion
- Cheers. Cpt.Guapo (talk) 16:50, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- No need to apologise for the late reply, this certainly isn't the most urgent of matters, anyhow. I understand the perspective of a learner, and how it can be frustrating to navigate a website that's unfamiliar. Again, I'm not opposed to the inclusion of links in examples, though I still find the inclusion of a link for every word, potential suffix and punctuation to be excessive. The reason I found that edit in particular so egregious (and why notified you in the first place) is due to the link to the suffix ない, and the one to a punctuation mark.
- I'm not one to follow the policies on this website to a T, and I'm not particularly compelled to follow WT:EXAMPLES either, so perhaps I worded my initial comment a bit badly. Heck, I've added links to examples before (e.g 発がん性 and 中級), though most of the time it hasn't been at the forefront of my mind when editing. Anyhow, I just find your approach of adding links to every word (and especially punctuation) to be excessive, though I guess we can agree to disagree on that. I'm not invested enough in this site or its goings-on to take up the proverbial mantle on this issue, so I probably won't comment on this again, though if a discussion surrounding policy change on this comes up in the future, make sure to notify me. Anyhow, take care, and happy editing. Orcaguy | Write me | Mon œuvre 05:07, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Honestly I think you should put off on adding these. A bot could churn out so many of these entries in 1 minute, while you as a human have to check for homophones, etc. (as opposed to adding links to {{ja-usex}}, which I would not want to attempt to code). It's dull work and the time could be used more efficiently. —Suzukaze-c (talk) 21:32, 13 November 2021 (UTC)