User talk:Djkcel/2017
Latest comment: 7 years ago by Victar in topic Sources
ἐρείκη, RC:Proto-Celtic/wroikos, etymolgies edit
I don't see any explanation that would lead from *wert- to any of these descendants. Watkins is also not terribly reliable. —JohnC5 18:19, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was struggling a little with the connections they made as well. They put English briar, Greek ἐρείκη, RC:Proto-Celtic/wroikos, and Russian verst all in the same boat, e.g. as seen here Djkcel (talk) 03:07, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- Interesting, so they're going for *wer- and not *wert- as the origin. I'm not sure any of this is particularly convincing. What do you think? —JohnC5 03:16, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- The Celtic (the source of Etymology 2 of briar, but not of Etymology 1)/Ancient Greek ἐρείκη (ereíkē) is thoroughly plausible, and Latin vermis/English worm, and I'm sure there are others, but trying to tie all those together to the same PIE root seems a bit ambitious, and their listing of reflexes of different stem consonants all jumbled together verges on misleading. By the way, I'm not so sure about their glosses: Latin ruscum isn't heather, it's butcher's broom or knee holly, which is a short plant with fairly simple, straight stems and prickly "leaves" (technically cladophylls). Their inclusion of English brusque with the Celtic seems odd, especially since our etymology of Italian brusco says it comes from ruscum. I also don't see the connection with Sanskrit कृमि (kṛmi)- where does the "k" come from? The whole thing seems like a hastily-compiled afterthought that doesn't care too much about the details. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:05, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree. Possibilities, but just that. Djkcel (talk) 17:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
- The Celtic (the source of Etymology 2 of briar, but not of Etymology 1)/Ancient Greek ἐρείκη (ereíkē) is thoroughly plausible, and Latin vermis/English worm, and I'm sure there are others, but trying to tie all those together to the same PIE root seems a bit ambitious, and their listing of reflexes of different stem consonants all jumbled together verges on misleading. By the way, I'm not so sure about their glosses: Latin ruscum isn't heather, it's butcher's broom or knee holly, which is a short plant with fairly simple, straight stems and prickly "leaves" (technically cladophylls). Their inclusion of English brusque with the Celtic seems odd, especially since our etymology of Italian brusco says it comes from ruscum. I also don't see the connection with Sanskrit कृमि (kṛmi)- where does the "k" come from? The whole thing seems like a hastily-compiled afterthought that doesn't care too much about the details. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:05, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- Interesting, so they're going for *wer- and not *wert- as the origin. I'm not sure any of this is particularly convincing. What do you think? —JohnC5 03:16, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was struggling a little with the connections they made as well. They put English briar, Greek ἐρείκη, RC:Proto-Celtic/wroikos, and Russian verst all in the same boat, e.g. as seen here Djkcel (talk) 03:07, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Sources edit
Please try and cite sources to your etymologies, particularly the ones that offer reconstructions. I've found many of the reconstructed etymologies you've added range from dubious to flat-out wrong. Adding a source will save everyone some time. --Victar (talk) 08:56, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- If you think anything is egregiously incorrect, let me know and I'll go back and re-validate the source. I usually include sources, especially for more uncertain entries or ones that I know will get flak/push-back from admins, but haven't been including them for the more obvious derivations. I do need to get better about the latter. Djkcel (talk) 00:31, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- I and others can't constantly watch and police you. That's why I'm asking you to step up your sourcing game. If we can't rely on you to police yourself, your stand to lose your Autopatroler status. --Victar (talk) 00:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)