Module talk:zh/data/dial-syn/閩南話
Latest comment: 4 years ago by The dog2 in topic Kind of wishy-washy
Kind of wishy-washy
edit@The dog2, this list may potentially be wishy-washy. There are different degrees of specificity here: 閩南話 could be a broad term (including Teochew, Datian dialect, and even Hainanese and Leizhou dialect) or a narrow term (Quanzhou-Zhangzhou Min Nan). Things like 臺語 is generally restricted to referring to the dialect spoken in Taiwan. 金門話 is even more specific. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 02:59, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: So what do you suggest we do then? I'm certain 閩南話 most commonly refers to Quanzhou-Zhangzhou Min Nan, or what we call Hokkien in Singapore. If you go to China or Taiwan and say you can speak 閩南話, that will be the assumption. Nobody will think you mean Hainanese or Teochew. When I was in Taiwan, 臺語 was the most commonly used term, though people also understand what 閩南話 is. In Singapore, we often say the people in Taiwan speak 福建話, so we generally recognise it as the same language, while likewise, when I speak Hokkien, a Taiwanese person would say that I was speaking 臺語. While I haven't been to Kinmen yet, from multiple readings I know of that because most Kinmen locals don't consider themselves to be Taiwanese, they generally don't use the term 臺語 to refer to their language. The dog2 (talk) 03:07, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- And just one more thing. The term 泉漳片 is only used by linguists in an academic context. Otherwise, you will rarely see or hear that term. The only possible confusion from the term 閩南話 that I can think of is that the Datian dialect is often lumped into it as well, but unless you are having a discussion about linguistics, nobody will ever take 閩南話 to mean Teochew or Hainanese. The dog2 (talk) 04:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- @The dog2: That's fair. However, the concern is not resolved with 臺語, which can only refer to Hokkien spoken in Taiwan and 金門話, which can only refer to Hokkien spoken in Kinmen, whereas 閩南話 can be used to refer to Hokkien spoken anywhere. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 05:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- And just one more thing. The term 泉漳片 is only used by linguists in an academic context. Otherwise, you will rarely see or hear that term. The only possible confusion from the term 閩南話 that I can think of is that the Datian dialect is often lumped into it as well, but unless you are having a discussion about linguistics, nobody will ever take 閩南話 to mean Teochew or Hainanese. The dog2 (talk) 04:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: I get your point for 金門話. And while what you said for 臺語 is technically true, I don't think people really draw that distinction in regular speech. And even many independence-leaning Taiwanese recognise people from Xiamen as speaking the same language. The dog2 (talk) 12:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- @The dog2: Okay, we could leave 臺語/臺灣話 there then. For Hong Kong, I don't know if people generally know that Hokkien in Fujian is the same as Hokkien in Taiwan. I think both 閩南話 and 臺灣話 are used depending on what they're familiar with. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 15:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung: From my experience, most mainland Chinese don't know that 臺語 and 閩南話 refer to the same language unless they are from Fujian. They usually assume that 臺語 is a completely different language. And for the matter, many mainland Chinese mistakenly think that everyone from Fujian speaks Hokkien, even though people from Fuzhou typically don't and speak something else. One the other hand, most Taiwanese know that 臺語 and 閩南話 are the same thing. So yes, it's certainly conceivable that people from Hong Kong aren't aware that 閩南話 and 臺灣話 are the same language. The dog2 (talk) 15:27, 25 March 2020 (UTC)