Reconstruction talk:Proto-Slavic/sъlnьce
Latest comment: 4 years ago by 5.184.95.20 in topic Reconstruction
- Discussion moved from Appendix talk:Proto-Slavic *solnce.
Which one of these forms is correct? "solnce" or "sъlnьce" (as in Appendix:List of Proto-Slavic nouns/Landscape and seasons and Appendix:Proto-Indo-European *sóh₂wl̥)? I also found in my etymology dictionary form "sl̥nьce invalid IPA characters (ь)". Maro 22:29, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
- *sъlnьce is the correct one. *sl̥nьce is just a variant spelling used by some dictionaries, where liquid diphthongs *ъl/*ьl are presumed to be syllabic. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 03:53, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
unattested/unreconstructable
editAccording to Vasmer this word came from *sъlnь and it has descendants: OCS бесльньнъ and Russian солнопёк, солноворот and посолонь (from *по-сълнь-, from *po-sъlnъ). Also i noticed a word усолонь and it came from у + *сълнь-. It's still not enough? —Игорь Телкачь 18:51, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- It likely isn't, since those are derivations. The baseword *sъlnь doesn't have its own reflexes. Same is for the word for "heart". There are two possibilities:
- Those are independent derivations in OCS and Russian, with no parallels in other Slavic languages, in which case they would indeed be direct reflexes of *sъlnь
- There were already Proto-Slavic *besъlnьnъ, *poъlnьnъ that have not been retained in any other Slavic language.
- The second option does seem more likely to me. Not sure what is the golden rule in such cases, where you have an obviously archaic stem only retained in derivations. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 19:01, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Reconstruction
editI would reconstruct it as PIE sh₂ul-n-yo-s and later sh₂ul-ni-ko-m. Who's for it?