Talk:مہابھارت

Etymology

@Svartava:

• not surface analysable since the required sense of भारत doesn't exist in Urdu – There's no harm in adding Template:surf to the lemma. بھارَت (bhārat) does in fact exist in Urdu dictionaries. It's actually becoming more common to use this term for India, than say ہِنْدُوسْتان (hindūstān).

• This is generally feminine in Hindi, is it for Urdu too? – Not too sure, Rekhta says it's Masculine, UDB says it's Feminine, and I'd probably agree with the latter. It sounds feminine as well. نعم البدل (talk) 16:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@نعم البدل: भारत (bhārata) here is not for India, it is in the sense "descendant of भरत (bharata, “Bharata”)". That sense is not commonly used in Hindi too outside translations of Mahabharata's shlokas and then too I'd say it is mostly for word-by-word correspondence with Sanskrit. That is what I meant by the first statement. Maybe you can look up some quotes to confirm which gender is of the word? Unrelatedly, you should consider joining WT:Discord - makes life easier. Svartava (talk) 17:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@Svartava::

• भारत (bhārata) here is not for India – I know you were talking about the Sanskrit epic specfically, but I though you were generally referring to the lemma itself, as it's a direct Sanskrit borrowing :) Are they not both linked, the country and the name of the epic? I'm not too well-versed on Sanskrit/Hindu texts, which is something I'll try to get myself enlightened with more.

Anyways as for the gender, I tried a few hits on google with the feminine declensions, but didn't get any which is expected really. I'll try read some Urdu books on it, and confirm the gender. From what I've read so far (3 books, all from Rekhta), it's masculine, example – mahābhārat ke sunahrī zamāne mẽ soimbar racāte the[1]. نعم البدل (talk) 17:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@نعم البدل That ke is for zamāne! The senses of भारत (bhārata) are linked but not the same so having one sense doesn't contain the other sense automatically. Svartava (talk) 18:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@Svartava: Well *sigh*, let's try this again 😂. It's feminine.

• yorap kī pahlī mahābhārat aur yih dūsarī mahābhārat... UDB under asnād. mahābhārat, in this case, is a metaphor for the World wars. And yes I'll try and join the discord server, when I can! نعم البدل (talk) 19:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@نعم البدل Nice, thanks for clarifying. It's actually quite common in the sense "a big war" in Hindi, even applied to verbal street fights, haha. Svartava (talk) 03:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)