Talk:copper
IPA is wrong - "cupper"
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conflict with Chinese
Should be an entry or mention of "copper-bottom". It's usually an adjective refering to an actual kitchen pots and pans, but it can also be used more figuratively as in a "copper-bottom identity" (timestap 22 minutes, 4x seconds in from April 10, 2008 Culture and Barbarism
Copper-one who cops it. edit
Having the same etymology as copper meaning policeman, copper meaning the one who 'cops it' or 'is copped' (i.e. hit on the head, mugged, etc) should be included.
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(Previously discussed in the Tea Room with no satisfactory outcome.) Sense 2: "(countable) Something made of copper." Like what? It can't be a coin (already sense 4) or a cooking-pot or kitchen fitting (sense 5). Equinox ◑ 04:18, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Cited, I think; two of the cites refer to the copper plates in batteries and one (1890) to something else — copper slugs, perhaps? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:40, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the effort. I agree that your citations refer to something that isn't a pot or a coin, but you've managed to catch very short phrases that don't really tell us what it is. I think it is old electrical equipment (the first one requires a battery, the second may be "tinned" [meaning tin-plated, I guess; in modern BrE tinning is what we do with baked beans, i.e. what Americans would call canning]; the third is about batteries again). If all three of them refer to electrical stuff then surely we should change the sense to "(some sort of electrical battery thing)" rather than leaving it as "anything made of copper": I am still not at all convinced that a copper ring on a poor woman's finger would be "a copper", for example. Equinox ◑ 04:46, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- I was simply too lazy to type in the rest of the context. The first (and third) don't require a battery; they are a part of a battery (see the cathode in this diagram, for example). The second is unclear to me, but nothing about it seems electrical. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:54, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the effort. I agree that your citations refer to something that isn't a pot or a coin, but you've managed to catch very short phrases that don't really tell us what it is. I think it is old electrical equipment (the first one requires a battery, the second may be "tinned" [meaning tin-plated, I guess; in modern BrE tinning is what we do with baked beans, i.e. what Americans would call canning]; the third is about batteries again). If all three of them refer to electrical stuff then surely we should change the sense to "(some sort of electrical battery thing)" rather than leaving it as "anything made of copper": I am still not at all convinced that a copper ring on a poor woman's finger would be "a copper", for example. Equinox ◑ 04:46, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- I think the question is whether any arbitrary item made of copper can be called "a copper", without any special context (e.g. "do you want the gold, the silver or the copper?" in a jeweller's wouldn't count). I don't consider this cited when there are three cites that are all technical electrical stuff, as opposed to everyday objects ("where did I leave that copper?!" -- it's a door key)... Equinox ◑ 05:08, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- No complaint from my end about tweaking the def to something like "Any of various objects made of copper used in various industrial and technical applications", although that particular wording is rather poor. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:49, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- I think the question is whether any arbitrary item made of copper can be called "a copper", without any special context (e.g. "do you want the gold, the silver or the copper?" in a jeweller's wouldn't count). I don't consider this cited when there are three cites that are all technical electrical stuff, as opposed to everyday objects ("where did I leave that copper?!" -- it's a door key)... Equinox ◑ 05:08, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- "Tinning" in this case refers to coating with solder. Nowadays, soldering is mostly just used for electrical connections, but the context here seems to be custom-made metal parts for industrial machinery. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:38, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
RFV-resolved Kiwima (talk) 09:23, 7 February 2020 (UTC)