MichaelTheSlav

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Vininn126 (talk) 17:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Dialects

I see your adding dialectal stuff. This is great! Something I've been wanting to do. You should be aware of the CFI. Sometimes stuff like that doesn't meet. I haven't seen anything that doesn't, but this is really something you should be aware of as you do this further. Thanks and keep it up. Vininn126 (talk) 19:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and a second thing. You should be aware, Silesian is considered a separate language on Wiktionary. If you add a word with "Silesian", it means "Silesian POLISH" not Silesian proper. Also please use {{gl}} for parentheses. Vininn126 (talk) 19:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Good work

Just wanna say you're crushing it. I wanted to mention be a bit careful with Doroszewski's dictionary, he has some weird unattestable stuff, but seeing as you already do citations most of the time (good work there, by the way), you are probably aware. Vininn126 (talk) 16:22, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

@User:Vininn126 Thanks! :D It’s good you keep an eye on the Polish entries here. On Wikipedia I can rewrite a whole article twice while asking for feedback on the Project page and nobody answers haha. And yeah, I will be trying to find some more citations in the future I think.

I’d be very eager to add dialectal words, but it’s rather hard since firstly I don’t own a dialectal dictionary (Słownik gwar polskich is for 1000 zł on allegro so yeah…) so I must rely on scans online so it’s tedious to search for anything. Maybe I could find a library which has a copy. Secondly I bought myself a collection of dialectal texts in transcription, which is great but unfortunately there is no index of any sorts so I have to just read it and note down dialectal or nonstandard words. Thirdly dialectal words are often rare or nonexistant in online sources, and I cannot rely on most written ones either since authors repeatedly make basic mistakes when representing dialects (Reymont in Chłopi used bych, which is 1st person singular old and dialectal for bym, also for the 2nd and 3rd person…). And finally, since as you mentioned Silesian is considered a separate language here (although I’ve noticed quite a few words listed as Polish but with a gloss „(Upper Silesia)”), when I see a word that is shared by Silesian but also some neighboring Polish dialects (since North Slavic is a dialect continuum anyway and language borders are more or less arbitrary) and I can’t know where the speaker comes from I’m stuck. Although I could probably overcome these problems eventually it’s just very time consuming and I’m also working on other things so it might take a while.

Also, I find it rather disheartening that I can’t really add pronunciation to dialectal entries… Polish dialects differ very much especially in vocalism so this is rather important I think. Would it at least be possible to add phonetic transcription, from the sources I got my dialectal citations from, to the entry here, maybe it could be on the top and right underneath a rendition into Standard Polish orthography?

Cheers! MichaelTheSlav (talk) 16:57, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Don't forget that bych was also used for the aorist, as you can still see in Silesian. Also, we should probably move those Silesian terms. They were added before it was made an L2, I think. I can't wait for them to finish making that multivolume Silesian dictionary.

You can add multiple transcriptions to pl-p, as well as a qualifier. Vininn126 (talk) 17:06, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Good work

Just wanna say you're crushing it. I wanted to mention be a bit careful with Doroszewski's dictionary, he has some weird unattestable stuff, but seeing as you already do citations most of the time (good work there, by the way), you are probably aware. Shumkichi (talk) 16:50, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@User:Shumkichi Thanks! I’m not sure why you copied Vininn126’s message but whatever.

I would like to express my tremendous regret over me missing the period in the articles iskrzyć and skrzyć. I am profoundly sorry for causing you to have an aneurism. I solemnly promise to be more mindful of punctuation in the future. MichaelTheSlav (talk) 16:57, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Łaskawie wybaczam OwO Shumkichi (talk) 17:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Shumkichi (talk) 17:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@MichaelTheSlav Btw., weź dołącz na ich Discorda, polecam, jeśli chcesz szybko przedyskutować z modami i adminami nawet jakieś zmiany. Poza tym Vininn i kilka innych osób jest spoko i nie mają kija w dupie, da się z nimi pożartować (zostałem stamtąd wyrzucony, więc możesz być moim infliltratorem o_O) Shumkichi (talk) 17:06, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Discord_server - masz tu linka d-____________-b Shumkichi (talk) 17:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@User:Shumkichi O, dzięki wielkie, jeśli bede chciał coś przedyskutować w przyszłości to na pewno skorzystam. Jakoś wyparłem ze wnętrza mojej jaźni istnienie Discorda. Na pewno wygodniej tak niż tu po dyskusjach sie gramolić. Ale na razie to ja sesje mam, a co dużo ważniejsze to staram sie na Wikipedi poszerzać artykuły w miare jak czytam sobie coś. Ale jeśli sie jakoś barziej przychyle tutej nad czymś to na pewno bedzie duża pomoc a więc dzięki jeszcze raz! MichaelTheSlav (talk) 17:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

co ty, olej wikipedię, na discordzie jest fajnieee, wiktionary lepsze, bo dodasz w max. 2 minuty entry, a z artykułami na wikipedię trzeba się czasem cały dzień cackać :/ powodzenia na sesji, tesh nejdługo mam (baza) Shumkichi (talk) 17:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Mi sie nie liczy w ile sie coś naskrobie a wkład włożony, a moje sumienie mi nie pozwala jak widze taką biede i nędze na niektórych ważnych tematach kiedy rosjany nawet mają dłuższy artykuł o czymś o jęz. polskim, a ktoś wchodzi sobie chce czegoś dowiedzieć a tam ledwo definicja nawet nie ma literatury na dole. Ale powiem nie bede tam raczej w nieskończoność siedział, kiedyś mi sie znudzi albo wyczerpe książki z allegro i bibioteki xd MichaelTheSlav (talk) 17:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@MichaelTheSlav Oo, to też studiujesz lingwistykę albo jakąś filologię? fajOwO Shumkichi (talk) 17:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@User:Shumkichi Ups, nwm czemu mnie nie opingowało i teram dopiero zauważył. Nie, studiuje na razie co innego ale dość dużo na ten temat czytam i poważnie sie zastanawiam żeby nie zrobić sobie za pare lat doktoratu jakiego czy czegoś. Stare książki na allegro są często dość tanie, a z racji wymiany mam dostęp do bibioteki uczelni obok gdzie też są fajne rzeczy. A wiele nowszych prac jest dostępnych też za darmo przez internet więc je też sobie poczytuje. Z tego czytania głównie źródła biore i tu i na Wiki. Na razie nie zajmowałem sie aż tak barzo słownictwem tak ogólnie, przede wszystkim z tego wszyskiego słowniki takie specjalistyczne (etymologiczne i gwarowe) są właśnie zwykle najdroższe i najmniej dostępne, przez co tu na Wikisłowniku niezbyt mam co. Jeśli w książce wspomniane jest coś szczegółowo o jakimś słowie albo czymś to dopisuje tu bo właśnie etymologią i gwarami najbarziej sie interesuje. Ale w przyszłości na pewno nad tym też porządnie siąde. MichaelTheSlav (talk) 20:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)