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November 2014

Could someone please capitalize the title on the "subjunctive" page?Edit

Could someone please capitalize the title on the "subjunctive" page? I don't know how, but it bothers me makes Wikipedia look bad and un-professional. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk) at 22:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC).

This is Wiktionary, not Wikipedia. Because this is a dictionary, the difference between capital letters and lower-case letters is very important, so polish and Polish are two different pages, and subjunctive has a lower-case letter because it isn't normally capitalized. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 23:23, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately, for some reason, the Latin Wiktionary decides to keep its pages capitalized when they are not normally capitalized and decides to put things like (en) at the end of their article titles to clarify the language. God, that pisses the hell out of me. No offense to Latin Wiktionarians, but I just hate that idea. The reason I don't like that is because if we do that, then it's harder to put those pages into interwiki links. It's a nightmare for me to look at a page like that with no interwiki links when it really needs them. Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 01:36, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


I have a question about a word. I specifically would like to know the history of this word. I am doing an essay on this word as a punishment. here is the word - SKANK. I know it's a derogatory word but I need to know some history, or a place to start my search on it's history. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk) at 22:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC).

The word is actually two separate words in itself. Its first use, meaning "a foul substance" is a blend of skeevy ("disgusting") and rank ("stark and foul"). Its second use, meaning "a bawdy woman", is a blend of scold ("a rude woman") and brank ("to prance about").

I know that we're not supposed to help people with homework questions, but my life goal is to spread knowledge, so I thought, why not? At least this person could learn something about this, and that's probably what the person who assigned this was hoping for. Tharthan (talk) 16:59, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

How do French Judaists spell Dieu?Edit

--Romanophile (talk) 09:08, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

According to G-d#Translations, it's D.ieu, which is confirmed by [1] and [2], while [3] indicates an alternative form D-ieu. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Red link at Category:Ancient Greek languageEdit

Hello, I'm not an expert here, so I was wondering why there is a red link inside the box at Category:Ancient Greek language. The ancient Greek Wiktionary was deleted or it never started? (I am sorry, I have not learnt how to properly put wikilinks inside a text yet) Nikolas (talk) 22:24, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there's never been an Ancient Greek Wiktionary, and I'm pretty sure there will never be one. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 23:48, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
How can you be sure that there will never be one? Are you a psychic? :D Nikolas (talk) 00:37, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
The rules have been tightened up considerably regarding Wikimedia wikis in dead languages since the Latin and the Old English wiktionaries were started, and they're unlikely ever to be relaxed again enough to allow creation of a new one such as this. The main problem is that there are no terms in such a language for modern places, institutions, concepts, etc., which means that new ones have to be created- and those would be really terms in a conlang based on the original language, not in the language itself. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Actually, the main problem—indeed the main reason why no more Wikimedia projects in extinct languages will be approved—is that there are no native speakers to form the basis of the community of editors. It is now a requirement that a language have native speakers in order for it to have its own Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, etc. Exceptions are sometimes given for Wikisource and Wikiquote, since those projects present previously published information rather than original writing. However, even then, extinct languages are often incorporated into the Wikisources and Wikiquotes of their modern descendants, so Old English source material is hosted at English Wikisource and Ancient Greek source material is hosted at Greek Wikisource, and so on. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:12, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
What about A Greek-English Lexicon (this version), it could be expanded, the past editions of the Liddell-Scott are in the public domain nowadays. .Nikolas (talk) 22:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Of course we can have as many Ancient Greek words here at English Wiktionary as we want. But there isn't going to be a Wiktionary with definitions written in Ancient Greek and with Ancient Greek as the interface language. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Sure, I agree with that, thumbs up, but can someone please rework the infobox that is the main concern of my 1st message? I have no idea, and no time at the moment, on how to do that, but if you write down some relevant shortcuts, I could quickly learn and edit it . :)Nikolas (talk) 07:47, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

correcting entry and adding quotation to page randonEdit

First time wanting to edit a page here, and I've come up with a complex task that is way beyond me at the moment, so I'm wondering if someone would like to adopt it.

On the page randon there is currently a quotation from Spenser that is misplaced in the Noun section. It needs to be removed (a pity) or moved to the Adjective section, which needs then to be created.

I have a quotation that does belong in the noun section. It is from Halley, and I suspect (but don't know) that in the short (again, I suspect ...) period between the beginning of scientific ballistics and this word becoming obsolete (likewise, I think, the word 'random' used in this sense) it is therefore an important and valuable quotation.

"half the Parameter is the greatest Randon, and that that happens at the Elevation of 45 Degrees"

A Discourse concerning Gravity, and its Properties, wherein the Descent of Heavy Bodies, and the Motion of Projects is briefly, but fully handled: Together with the Solution of a Problem of great Use in Gunnery. By E. Halley.

Miscellanea Curiosa, Vol. I, 2nd Edition, 1708 p.316

(An ebook version is in preparation for Project Gutenberg.) --Alkhowarizmi (talk) 03:57, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


I realize these words are not in the dictionary. So what best describes the act of ovalizing, say "ovalizing" a hole during manufacturing, or oblonging, "oblonging" a round object by placing it in a press. I know once the object has been deformed, per se, it is oblong. Please advise. Thanks!

Using Template:suffix without categorization?Edit

It used to be that one could use {{suffix}} with lang=- to keep it from adding a category in cases where the suffixation occurred in a language other than that of the entry. Is there any way to do this now, and if not, why not?

I'm asking this because I'm not quite sure how to get rid of bogus categories such as Category:Middle English words suffixed with -k, which contains only the English term crash- but no Middle English terms at all.

The template can be useful for formatting in etymologies, which makes replacing it in cases like this a bit of a pain. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:04, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Use nocat=1. lang=- doesn't work because if it did, then the template could no longer format the text and the link correctly. Even if it's not supposed to add a category, it should still know the language. —CodeCat 02:16, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
I've added this to the documentation for {{suffix}}, {{prefix}} and {{confix}}, so I won't be asking this again in six months. Feel free to improve on my efforts- they're just a first draft. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:20, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Unexpected Initial Accent in Southern (US) NounsEdit

This is a phenomenon I've always found curious, but I hadn't really considered just how unusual it was until I saw the reaction of someone who wasn't aware of it at all (diff).

It consists of certain words that are accented on the second syllable elsewhere, but instead are accented on the first syllable in Southern English. It's not just that the first syllable is accented, though. The second syllable retains a strong secondary accent, to the point that it sounds like the first syllable is a separate word, and the second syllable retains its full, unreduced pronunciation. The first syllable is also lengthened quite a bit, but I'm not sure if that's separate from the strong stress.

The examples that will no doubt be most familiar are guitar (/ˈɡɪːˌtɑɹ/) and police (/ˈpoːʊˌliːs/), but w:Southern English also lists behind (/ˈbiːˌhaɪnd/),cement (/siːˌmɛnt/), Detroit(/ˈdiːˌtrɔɪt/), display (/ˈdɪːsˌpleɪ/), hotel (/ˈhoːʊˌtɛl/), insurance (/ˈɪːnˌʃəɹɨns/), July (/ˈd͡ʒʊːˌlaɪ/), motel (/ˈmoːʊˌtɛl/), recycle (/ˈriːˌsaɪkəl/), TV (/ˈtiːˌviː/) and umbrella (/ˈʌːmˌbɹɛlə/). A couple more examples that come to mind are Arab (/ˈeːɪˌɹæb/) and Italian (/ˈaːɪˌtæljən/). I've also caught myself doing this with a word or two like default (/dɪˈfɑːɫt/), but I'm not Southern and I'm not sure where I picked it up.

I'm curious as to whether anyone has ever studied this, and whether anyone knows more about it, especially whether there's a pattern to which words have it and how far beyond the Deep South it extends. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:05, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

After moving from New York to St. Louis, I've noticed people here say insurance with initial stress (I'm used to penultimate) and likewise for some words that are both nouns and verbs, but used as nouns, though I can't htink at the moment which ones. I don't know whether that's an extension of the same accent in that respect. Does Southern display (which you list) have initial stress for the verb and noun, or which?​—msh210 (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
It may be on the edge of the South, but Missouri is still a Southern state. I have no specific knowledge about the verb sense of display, but the general pattern is for the noun to have the initial accent, while the verb (if there is one) is the way it is everywhere else (recycle seems to be the exception). I'm wondering if it started out as a way to insure clarity in some strata of unfamiliar but frequently-used words. You'll note that behind is the only one in the list that goes back to Old English, and it was no doubt an uncommon word pressed into service as a euphemism. All of the above is just speculation, which is why I was hoping there was something about it in the literature. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

wherefore Lazarus, not ElazarusEdit

Why did אלעזר become Λάζαρος (Lázaros) with no initial (glottal stop or) vowel? Does Ancient Greek not allow initial vowels or something?​—msh210 (talk) 19:37, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

This would be better at the Etymology scriptorum. As to substance: The etymology at Lazarus is missing details. You'll find ‏אֶלְעָזָר in the Hebrew scriptures as Ελεαζαρ (Eleazar) / Eleazar, but the name in the New Testament which gave rise to the modern name is from ‏לַעְזָר, which is itself derived from אלעזר. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Ah, thanks!​—msh210 (talk) 06:04, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


--Supersonic414-On Wikia 13:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC) Hello! I just want to ask how to reply to peoples post! —This unsigned comment was added by Supersonic414 (talkcontribs) at 13:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC).

  • Click an [edit] link, put an appropriate number of :s or *s under someone else's post, type your reply, ~~~~ and submit. Keφr 14:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the help. --Supersonic414-On Wikia 14:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC) —This unsigned comment was added by Supersonic414 (talkcontribs) at 14:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC).
    • You forgot the ~~~~. Keφr 14:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Pop-Culture Words?Edit

Hello all, I wanted to ask, should pop-culture terms be here? This is a dictionary for pretty much everything, but really, should media terms be here? It's not that I have anything against them, but it would help if there was, say, a specific portal that led to any, if not all, terms caused by the internet, IM slang, pop culture references, etc. Of course, if this is already handled,then disregard this message.

Thanks Muaadth on fire (talk) 17:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Internet slang is in plenty of mainstream dictionaries (though not to the same extent — yet!). Being Internet-based and freely editable, we tend to get more of it, and earlier. You can search by "Internet slang" category at the bottom of these entries, to narrow it down. Equinox 21:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Phrase "stand pat" questionEdit

I always have know about the general usage of this phrase as a poker term, and as an expression of firm resolve. I don't have the resources to look deeper into the origin of the second word, but wondered if it could be derived from "patent" as in "letters patent", suggesting a proven right to occupy a place or position. Betsinoregon (talk) 20:59, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

I imagine it's the adverb pat#Adverb. Equinox 21:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Request for deletionEdit

I couldn't get templates {{RQ:Mlry MrtArthrP1}} and {{RQ:Mlry MrtArthrP2}} to work properly, though the code worked alright when I shortened their names. Would someone please delete these two templates or tell me how to do it. — ReidAA (talk) 11:23, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I've deleted them both since you have gotten {{RQ:Mlry MArthrP1}} and {{RQ:Mlry MArthrP2}} to work. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 15:48, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks very much. — ReidAA (talk) 22:07, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Asexual Definitions Ordered Incorrectly?Edit

Why is the new colloquial definition (post 2000), which is not only a misnomer but also misuse of the term (nonsexual is a word that already meant that, and far less confusingly), listed as first and second? Especially when there is a concrete scientific definition for the term. --Mr.BloopBloop (talk) 20:23, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Sense 1 is not post-2000; here is an example from a book published in 1979. Also, nonsexual doesn't mean "not experiencing sexual attraction", and since "not experiencing sexual attraction" is probably currently the most common meaning of asexual outside of biology, using it this way is neither exclusively colloquial, nor a misnomer, nor a misuse of the term. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:35, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

In regards to my original question, I'm still wondering why it was ordered the way it was. I don't know the policy, and in my mind it seems logical to keep the most solid, longest currently used, concrete definitions at the top. In reference to the reply, the wiktionary page only gives post 2000 quotes, and the link you sent was in German. Not sure if that translates, or how that would work since this is not the German version. So I'm a little confused by that admittedly. Asexual is a common term in biology and as such I suspect it is used far more often, though in different circles. Though we are ultimately both speculating on that point. No way to tell, but it's still absolutely the current term for that meaning in biology. At the very least it has been written in more professional contexts, over a much longer period. Furthermore, as defined elsewhere, e.g wikipedia, the definition is actually more fluid. IE some asexuals can experience sexual attraction, which is why it frustrates me. A definition is put forward, and then it's basically picked apart until it doesn't mean anything remotely like the original definition. The only consistent element is some level of disinterest, ie the definition of nonsexual. Everything else is conditional. Finally it's semantic to say nonsexual doesn't mean that, and then assert asexual does when it was just an arbitrary decision someone made. The first person to do so did it in error, or colloquially by definition. That and it's only time and repetition that renders a word not colloquial; and since it's in direct conflict with the original meaning, the construction of the word (etymology), and it's concrete scientific definition (which can't be said of nonsexual), I'd say it is misuse (rampant as it is). In the context for the original meaning all humans are by definition sexual, it's a characteristic of our species, not an aspect of an individuals identity or sexual orientation which varies by birth. Though none of this really matters since deliberate misuse is how language works, and evolves, but that is essentially what has been done.--Mr.BloopBloop (talk) 21:25, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

The citation I gave wasn't in German, though I did link it through Try this link: [4]. We don't have a policy on how to order senses; some people are in favor of putting the oldest sense first (even if it's now obsolete), other people are in favor of putting the oldest non-obsolete sense first, other people are in favor of putting the currently most commonly used sense first, other people just add senses at the bottom as they think of them. The reason I said that nonsexual doesn't mean "not experiencing sexual attraction" is simply that as far as I knew, the word isn't used that way; however, I have now found this book that does use nonsexual with that meaning, so I take it back. But nonsexual is still much less common in this sense than asexual is. Saying that things are an "error" or "misuse" makes sense only within a prescriptive context (and we aren't a prescriptive dictionary) or with regard to actual real-world usage (and since asexual is very widely used to mean "not experiencing sexual attraction", it isn't an error or a misuse to use it that way). It isn't "an arbitrary decision someone made", it's the way the language evolved. You might as well call it "an arbitrary decision someone made" that silly now means "foolish" instead of "blessed" as it originally did. No one consciously made that decision, the language just evolved that way. It's true that our definition could use some tweaking, as you point out, since asexuality doesn't necessary entail a complete lack of any sexual attraction, but can also include a simple lack of interest in sex. I really don't see that the biological and sociological meanings are in any direct conflict, though; amoebas and bacteria are just as uninterested in sex as any person who identifies as asexual. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
I would also prefer to see the biology sense placed first. Equinox 13:28, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
I have no objection to that. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:51, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

AquaStretch ReferencesEdit

I'm trying to provide references for the new word AquaStretch using the following links and the editor won't let me save them.

<URLs redacted>

Is this word actually used by English speakers? Is it a brand name? If the answer to the first is no, or the answer to the second is yes, then it can't be included on Wiktionary. —CodeCat 23:28, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) First of all, this is a descriptive dictionary based on usage, and our Criteria for inclusion don't count non-durably-archived websites as evidence of usage. Besides, this is trademarked, and identified as such in your references, so it doesn't meet WT:BRAND. The only way we would include it is if people were using it in ways that didn't match the trademarked meaning. This would require evidence of independent usage in at least three durably-archived sources, of which Google Books has exactly one. If you're connected with the trademark-owner, bear in mind that the kind of usage to make it a valid Wiktionary entry is exactly the sort that could endanger the trademark (see w:Generic trademark. I'm not a lawyer, so you can take that with a grain of salt). Chuck Entz (talk) 00:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
You're a spammer; get the hell out; did you only post those links here in a fake "question" so that your links would be on a page? Equinox 03:14, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't think search-engine spam was their goal, and I think they really thought it was some technical glitch that kept them from posting the links, but I've now removed the URLs just to avoid giving them an undeserved boost. I deleted the entry (after they posted here), but it wasn't especially promotional in tone without the URLs. I would put them somewhere in the wide gray area between spamming scum and ethically-clueless self-promoter. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:03, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Request for deletionEdit

Hi, could you delete the entry of "αντέξα" ( ) as this form does not exist. Instead "άντεξα" (note the accent mark) is the correct "First-person singular, simple past form of αντέχω". (I already added the entry for "άντεξα".) 21:21, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

You can request speedy deletion by putting {{delete}} on a page with your reason. In this case, Yes check.svg done. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:38, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

RQ: Melville Moby-Dick TemplateEdit

This template is now frozen. However it needs to be able to be used without a parameter so that it can be used on a quotation that hasn't yet been narrowed down to a chapter, as is the case with most of the existing Moby-Dick quotations. Furthermore, M-B has very many chapters and this deters people who use Wikisource from trying to narrow down a quotation's chapter. The code is very simple, as will be seen for example in Template:RQ:Bronte_Wuthering. Could this be fixed, please. — ReidAA (talk) 09:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I notice that Moby-Dick is entered into Category:Quotation_reference_templates but not into Wiktionary:Quotations/Templates. Should I go ahead and put it in there? Incidentally, I notice that there doesn't seem to be any way to put a new template into Category:Quotation_reference_templates. Am I blind to an Edit button somewhere there? — ReidAA (talk) 09:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014

How to add a categoryEdit

I'm not a new user but I can't see where else this would fit. I added the names of musical notes in Persian (دو, ر, می, فا, سل, لا and سی), and I added them to 'Category:fa:Musical notes'. However, I can't see how to add a new category (musical notes) to the tree. According to Template:topic cat/documentation, it should explained be at Module:category tree/topic cat, but I think I don't really understand it. Could anyone add this category for me? Thanks. Kaixinguo (talk) 12:38, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Finnish declensionsEdit

I'm just an occasional user of Wiktionary. Today I looked up word suurempi and I believe I found an error. I would have corrected it, but the declension stuff seems to work with some automatic macros/templates/patterns (whatever they are called) so I'm not sure where the correction should go.

The page says suurempi is declined like vanhempi, which is fine. However, it also says that there is no gradation. Unfortunately gradation is not hyperlinked, but I guess it can only mean consonant gradation. My Finnish lessons are many years in the past, but I don't think there is any other gradation (of course I never learned these terms in English, but I guess we are talking about astevaihtelu here).

As page Appendix:Finnish_nominal_inflection/vanhempi correctly explains on the lower half of the page KOTUS type 16 does obey consonant gradation mp --> mm. Still the inflection pattern in the upper half says "no gradation".

How would that be fixed or am I missing something here? --U1106 (talk) 16:18, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

All the vanhempi-type words have the mp-mm gradation "built in" so to say. So that may be why it says no gradation; it's technically redundant to the type. But I agree this is somewhat confusing. @Hekaheka: Do you think we should show gradations that are built into certain inflection patterns? —CodeCat 16:38, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that we should show the gradation. In this declension class the gradation is always mp->mm, but "no gradation" is not right as user U1106 points out. --Hekaheka (talk) 18:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I fixed it now. Apparently I had already made it so it shows gradations that are implied in the type, but in this one case I had made a mistake and it didn't work. —CodeCat 18:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Jijay : Please remove this word from wiktionaryEdit

Hi Admin,

People are having name as "Jijay". your meaning of the name in the wiktionary is "heart breaking". So can you please remove this word from your wiktionary.

The same word will have different meaning in the different languages. So, please remove this word from your wiktionary.

I hope you understand the feeling of the people. Remember that " The man's name is to him the sweetest and most important sound in any language".

Thanks and regards, For the benefit of the people, who have this name.

Wiktionary is not censored. If words are used, we document them. That's our primary goal. —CodeCat 02:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, however, that entry does by coincidence need some serious cleaning. I marked it as RFC. Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 05:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Auxiliary verb for "anfangen"Edit

On English wiktionary, it is claimed that both "haben" and "sein" could be the auxiliary verb for "anfangen" (presumably context dependent). However German wiktionary lists only "haben". If both can be used, could German wiktinoary be updated? Or, if only "haben" works, and Duden seems to say this ("starkes Verb; Perfektbildung mit »hat«"), English wiktionary should be fixed? I'd fix it myself, but for things like these I don't trust my low level of German. :) --Hugovdm (talk) 23:13, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, i can tell you it's just "haben". Example: "Ich habe angefangen" not "Ich bin angefangen". Maybe in Bavarian, but i am not from Bavaria. - Master of Contributions (talk) 23:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't think even people who say "Ich bin gestanden" and "Ich bin gesessen" say "Ich bin angefangen". I'm sure it's just a mistake in the template. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:47, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Having read the usage note, I take that back. Apparently it's nonstandard usage found in some parts of Germany. If de-wikt doesn't have it, that'll be because they're much more prescriptive than we are. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! The differences (between de-wikt and en-wikt policies and guidelines) are good to know about. (I make use of both, together with Duden of course.) --Hugovdm (talk) 00:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

paDava=boat; but not poDava as mentioned in telugu pageEdit



పడవ (paDava)

  1. boat

Category:Telugu nouns Category:te:Transport

mg:పడవ ta:పడవ

Wiktionary suggestionsEdit

  1. Pop up translation from Wiktionary when mouse over word would translate it to English or other languages.English Wiktionary has millions of words (most are inflections) and you can use free OpenSource Kiwix for offline Wikipedia and Wiktionary (but Wiktionary is downloaded separately try using Google) and that offline Wiktionary could be programmed with pop up window to display articles (you can also find pop up code on Google like C++).
  2. Make all words in articles lead to new page related to the word, this can be done with programming when click on any word from article would lead to new articles but text would remain the same and standard wiki link to new article would override it or usual words or phrases.
  3. In each edit in history make report vandalism or spam with short explanation.
  4. Auto-sign when user begins with : but if edits inside between : an signature wouldn't sign it.
  5. Wikibot that would automatically translate via Google Translate articles from English Wikipedia and save them to other Wikipedia's that could save more time in writing articles but only for new articles links and files would be copied by Wikibot and then replaced after translation.
  6. Shortcuts for edit summary for example m minor edit.
  7. When signature is changed automatically change all signature of user (I have seen that in RPG Maker games you can type name of player and that name is displayed in whole game).
  8. TTS Text to Speech like Ekho I have read that it is possible to record ones own voice only vowels and consonants it is about one MB large and can read any text.And other languages as well.
  9. Also pop up translation for words from Wiktionary and how much times articles were visited.
  10. Input methods embedded in Wiki editor like Chinese.
  11. Also when make next word in new row in Wikipedia is displayed in same row this can be a problem for writhing many words one below other.
  12. Perhaps some translator like Google Translate which is online or for Android there are not much free quality translators today except Google Translate.
  13. When users edit is reverted or changed by different user would notify the user in special notifications, this would help if user has hundreds or thousands of edits so that he doesn't need to search all pages.Watch page is only for some pages it would be useful to have most although user can ignore it if he wants.
  14. Wiki template that would make active count users edits and articles. Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 08:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Display image from link to other website (not Wikipedia). Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 09:21, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Head football coach at LSU in 1909 informationEdit

Your information for the head coach at LSU in 1909 was incorrect. Joseph G. Prichard, head coach at LSU, was a graduate of Vanderbuilt and attended LSU for further study. He was a great football player at Vanderbuilt; therefore, selected to be the head coach at LSU until a head coach was interview for the job for the longterm. Look at the LSU program for football and see who is the head coach (s) and the schedule for that year 1909 - 1910.

This is Wiktionary (a dictionary), not Wikipedia(an encyclopedia). If any of our entries contains any information about who was head coach at LSU, let us know so we can delete it- that's not dictionary material. Otherwise, please go to the web site that actually has that information and discuss it there. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Do people use Word of the Day?Edit

Do the people who use this website actually get use out of the Word of the Day feature? I myself find it utile for labouring over at Wikcionario, but I suspect that average Anglos don’t much care for it. I’ve always had the impression that Anglophones despise pedantic speech and would rather use common (and short) words in all of their communication. I’m not suggesting that we delete this feature, I just wonder if it has any significant effects on the physical world. --Romanophile (talk) 08:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, I like it. And I don't think it's pedantic; it's just a way to introduce words that are unusual for one reason or another. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
But most people don’t like unusual words, especially because it may obligate them to look up the definition. People prefer common terms. For example, I was talking with my friend on‐line a few hours ago, and I said the word ‘Anglophone.’ He asked what it meant, so I explained it to him. Then he enquired ‘Why couldn’t you just say English‐speaking person?’ Now ideally, people would use these terms more if they encountered them more frequently, but this presents a contradiction: In order to become common, it must be used more, but it won’t be used more because it’s so uncommon. --Romanophile (talk) 08:16, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
We're a dictionary; we want to encourage people to look up definitions! —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


There is something in the English language, that is be considered childish and slang but is still not uncommonly used, to say one word twice, but to replace a part of the word with the "shm" sound. Such as, for example, "I don't care what the percentage of winning is. I will still cheer him on." "Yeah, percentage, pershmentage. You can do it, Gingka!" Another example is. "Jack, you know the rules!" "Rules shmules, I can do what I want." Is there any way we can put this into an entry/appendix? Could this possibly be considered a prefix/affix? I want to know more about what this sort of thing is in languages. Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 04:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

See schm- and w:shm-reduplication. It's from Yiddish. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Couldn't this be an affix or something too though? Such as in, "percentage, pershmentage"? Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 05:18, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
The term you're looking for is infix. Affix is the general, position-independent term for prefixes, postfixes, infixes and circumfixes. Yes, for some people it's an infix, but not for everybody. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation depending on contextEdit

In some languages, especially French, can't the pronunciation of a word change depending on the context? For instance, in front of a vowel, it sounds different than in front of a consonant? If so, is it/why isn't it included in the pronunciation part of entries where this can happen? Rædi Stædi Yæti {-skriv til mig-} 05:20, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

w:Liaison (French) is governed by phonological rules that are part of the the language as a whole and the liaison form is quite simple and predictable from the spelling, so it tends not to be shown in dictionary pronunciation sections. The idea is that you learn the patterns as part of learning the language, so either you know them for every word that has them, or you don't know them st all. Whether an initial h interferes with liaison is unpredictable (if it does, it's called an "aspirated" h), so dictionaries show that. I notice that we show phonological variants for several Celtic languages, but those are reflected in the spelling, and they're far more complex and extensive. In Sanskrit we don't show the final consonant at all for most lemmas, and in the inflection tables we show the -h isolated forms, but not the -s form that precedes a vowel in the next word. In general, the interactions (called w:Sandhi) are so complicated and pervasive that you really need to refer to the sandhi section of a grammar to even find words in a dictionary, let alone read a simple text. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Pronunciation can also depend upon context in English - the most obvious example is the, whose pronunciation depends on the following letter being a consonant or vowel. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:55, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Most languages have rules of external sandhi to some extent. I would be in favor of us adding liaison forms to our French pronunciation sections, at least in cases where the pronunciation may not be what the spelling leads us to expect (e.g. un grand homme is [œ̃ ɡʁãtɔm], isn't it?). —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:07, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Question as to 'torpedieren' entryEdit

I was looking at the English entry for the German verb torpedieren and I noticed the past participle was 'torpediert'. If my German teacher is right all regular German weak verbs have ge- prefixed to the 3rd person singular present active indicative to form the past participle.

Not all. Only verbs stressed on the first syllable take the ge- prefix. Verbs starting with an unstressed prefix like be-, ver-, etc., as well as verbs ending in -ieren, do not take the ge- prefix. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Is the stress an absolute rule, or are there exceptions? Verbs with non-initial stress that do take ge-? —CodeCat 23:04, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
There's gebenedeit, but that's really rare, being used virtually only in the Ave Maria. Otherwise I can't think of any exceptions at all. The getolereert vs. toleriert contrast is one of the most salient morphological differences between Dutch and German. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 23:33, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Translations page?Edit


I am working on creating a comprehensive list of medical translations from English to Setswana to put online, and I would like to put it on one of the Wikimedia platforms instead of through any other website since users in Africa and the Middle East have free access to Wikimedia sites, and we are working on a project in Botswana to use Wikipedia/media in the healthcare setting. Would Wiktionary be an appropriate place to put this information? Could I create a page with all the translations on it?


I noticed an omissionEdit

On the page for "heretofore" you have listed "henceforth" as an antonym.

However, on the page for "henceforth" you have no antonym listed, which should say "heretofore."


Is there anyone interested on project of developing Swahili dictionary? Swahili: The most spoken language in East Africa? —This unsigned comment was added by Fulany2k (talkcontribs).

Well, we already have a lot of entries in Category:Swahili language, and there's already a Swahili Wiktionary, and the Kamusi Project is also a collaborative dictionary with a large Swahili database, so the projects are already started, they just need more volunteers. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 07:51, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

can’t edit my pageEdit

Please modify the protection for my user page so that I can edit it. --Romanophile (talk) 00:05, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV (talkcontribs), maybe…? --Romanophile (talk) 01:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. — Ungoliant (falai) 01:41, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

RFT codeEdit

I see the Tea room has a discussion on code which is listed under oldest tagged RFTs, what does that mean?Riverstogo (talk) 03:55, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

What I think it means now is "Request for tea", what you need to do is search in the history of code for the edit tagged rft, not with the search box though because it never seems to find anything? just use ctrl + F one 500 entry page at a time to find the month, then look in the tea room archive to see what was discussed. Turns out code just needed some work. Would seem there needs to be a clean up of the tea room tags? I'll remove this one as a first step.Riverstogo (talk) 04:28, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Not sure how to remove code from the list of oldest tagged RFT? though it now is not tagged in my limited understanding, whew, I need some tea.Riverstogo (talk) 04:38, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
My new understanding is that the tea room is used instead of Wiktionary talk pages due to the low number of registered users per entry vs Wikipedia.
DCDuring suggests posting a link to the archived discussion on each talk page, I have tried to do this on the code talk page appropriately and to conclude the discussion. I might do more tea room tag removal if anyone thinks this is a good approach? I will try linking this suggestion on the tea room talk page.Riverstogo (talk) 23:01, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
It's not directly the number of users, but rather the ratio of users to pages. Wiktionary users edit a lot more pages, but make relatively small edits and the majority of pages will only ever be edited by a single person (or even no people at all, in the case of bots). They are created once and then may not be touched for years. This means that many pages don't appear on anyone's watch list, so talk page messages won't be noticed. On the Tea Room, they will. —CodeCat 23:02, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Santana windsEdit

When I first arrived at San Diego, (1961) the hot dry winds were always referred to as Santana winds. They were, according to what seems reasonable, as Santana's from the Spanish living on the coastal stretch lo those many years, (hundreds really). Which considering how Santa Ana (city)didn't arrive on the seen until years later, why would they (Spanish)call them anything else. So, if one wants to be a purist, they should be called exactly what they in fact are, devil winds. That because they create such havoc in the LA basin, the natives referred to the basin as the Valley of the Smokes. Which all too often looks just like that from today's satellites looking down from outer space. Bernard M. Schermerhorn USN (retired)

You might be interested to read w:Santa Ana winds#Etymology. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 23:43, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Which Unicode character is the slashed 0 used to visually distinguish number 0 from letter O?Edit

In many real-world applications where it is very useful to help normal folks quickly distinguish between the number character zero and the capital letter O a character that looks like the number with a slash is used. Which Unicode character is that? DCDuring TALK 15:45, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

  • See Slashed zero SemperBlotto (talk) 15:50, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
    So we can't have an entry for this in case "someone would run across it and want to know what it means", even if they know Unicode. Doesn't this illustrate a problem with even having entries for Unicode? DCDuring TALK 16:09, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
    I'm not sure what you're getting at. There is no separate Unicode character for the slashed zero; some fonts render "0" with a slash, others render it without one. Without a Unicode character, we have no way of having an entry for it besides 0. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 16:40, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Perhaps unsurprisingly, U+0030 DIGIT ZERO. Keφr 16:47, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

January 2015

Can prescriptivists edit here?Edit

I’ve always had the feeling that there exists an anti‐prescriptivist sentiment here, given that this project is descriptive (neutral). But I’ve also had the impression that we all have our own agenda here, too. I, for example, mostly document Italic words on Wikcionario, and generally don’t care about the rest, because my own goal is to eventually document all Italic words, not ‘all words in all languages.’
I don’t know if I would say that I’m prescriptive about language in general, but I do know that I’m certainly quite fastidious and perfectionist towards my own usage of language. --Romanophile (talk) 10:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

We don't care how prescriptivist you are in your own usage, as long as your entries are written from a descriptivist POV rather than a prescriptivist one. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 12:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


Is Category:de:Female a joke or should every German word which only refers to female gender be added there? If it is not a joke, then every word suffixed with -in has to be added, like Schülerin, Pastorin, Hündin. -IP, 21:31, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

It's not a joke. Schülerin and Pastorin should be in it, and Hündin should be in its subcategory Category:de:Female animals. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:47, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. -IP, 21:53, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


A simple question. I recently created the article dravest. Did I state the correct tense by using {{en-archaic second-person singular of|drave}}? Thanks, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 18:49, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it looks ok. —CodeCat 00:34, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Admin userboxesEdit

Moved to Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2015/January#Admin userboxes

why does gloss not work?Edit

The parameter gloss= in {{past participle of}} does not work, while in {{inflection of}} it is working.


--Bigbossfarin (talk) 17:45, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

It does now. Keφr 18:01, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

What is the name for the part of speech category that includes nouns and pronouns, but not adjectives?Edit

When including adjectives and determiners (modifiers), the term "nominal" is often used. But what term is there, if any, for just nouns and pronouns together? That is, nouns which refer to "things" on their own? —CodeCat 18:04, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

"Nouns and pronouns". Keφr 18:51, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Sounds too complex a distinction to have an everyday word. Equinox 01:25, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Also, in some languages adjectives can also 'refer to "things" on their own' through conversion or some other grammatical mechanism (e.g. adding the in front of the word), which is probably why "nominal" includes adjectives in the first place. So the whole distinction may be pointless. Keφr 08:29, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Page ranking curiosityEdit

To use Google as a dictionary, one searches using the expression "define [x]". See, for example, defining blandish. After Google's own definition comes a variety of dictionary websites. Sadly, I rarely find Wiktionary among those on the first page. Perhaps Wiktionary is less known than these other dictionaries, but is there any way Wiktionary can increase its page rank?

For example, I noticed all the other main online dictionaries actually use the word "dictionary" on every page, increasing their 'searchability', whereas Wiktionary does not. PageRank seems to equate "define" with "dictionary", but not with the word "Wiktionary". Would sliding the word "dictionary" into Wiktionary's footer increase Wiktionary's page rank? More over, I know this is wistful thinking. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 23:54, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

There may be something of the kind, but is it the presence of the word dictionary or something else? An example: when I google intrinsèque, the fr.wikt entry is the 1st hit. When I google define:intrinsèque, it is 2nd (after a dictionary, and before other dictionaries). What I understand is that Google understands that we are a dictionary, but that Google considers that some other dictionaries are more popular. I don't know why. Lmaltier (talk) 08:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Active Macedonian Wiktionary ContributorsEdit

Hi I am inquiring as to wether there are any active Macedonian wiktionary contributors, I would like to get in contact so that I can assist in editing or contributing. —This unsigned comment was added by Davski (talkcontribs) at 12:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC).

User:Martin123xyz has done a lot of work recently on Macedonian, but I don't know if they are still active. I've helped make some templates, but I didn't work on the entries themselves. —CodeCat 13:03, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

How to deal with variablesEdit

There are two new Javanese entries that use "N" as a stand-in for some unspecified nasal consonant: ambranang and mapag.

The problem is that they're redlinking to prefixes spelled with this variable, which seems like a very bad idea. Recognizing the problem is one thing, but figuring out what to do with it is another, entirely.

Suggestions? Chuck Entz (talk) 04:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I don’t think it’s problem if we link to the form the word is actually using. We have both Category:English words prefixed with in- and Category:English words prefixed with im-, and Category:English words suffixed with -ization and Category:English words suffixed with -isation. — Ungoliant (falai) 04:49, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't really agree with that approach. Clearly, in- is not a different suffix from im-, they are allomorphs. To categorise them separately doesn't make much sense. I would prefer it if one allomorph were chosen as the main form, and the others treated as forms of it. —CodeCat 23:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Bosnian WiktionaryEdit

Why on earth is there a Bosnian Wiktionary? Isn't that just a dialect of Serbo-Croatian. I'm sure the project, along with its sister project the Bosnian Wikipedia, probably wouldn't ever get deleted, even if I brought it up somewhere, but I would be one to vote for its deletion. NativeCat drop by and say Hi! 23:10, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

The thing is, not everyone thinks Bosnian, Serbian and Croatian are the same language. — Ungoliant (falai) 23:13, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
It's been the source of pretty fiery debate in the past (that is, Serbo-Croatian on the English Wiktionary). However, most of the people involved in those debates aren't active right now. Renard Migrant (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Four languages-ishEdit

I speak four languages but noticed that the more efficient I become in one language, the more I start to forget the other three langauges. Has anyone else had that experience? 11:38, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I've noticed it with my sister (English natively; French and German from high school; some Chinese, Japanese and Russian thereafter). She moved to France years ago and speaks relatively little English now, and even though it's her native language she now sometimes says odd-sounding things or forgets the term for something. Equinox 15:28, 16 January 2015 (UTC)


I've always had the perception that dictionary editors have a higher I.Q. than average since many neuropsychological assessment abilities are required. For example you need to have an extensive memory, a deep understanding, conceptualization etc. Do you guys think you have a higher I.Q. than average? 13:26, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Question about Translation RequestEdit

Do any of the translators translate any fictional languages like Gallifreyan?

  • Only our fictional translators do that. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

What are Some examples of Spanish slang?Edit

I know spanish fairly well but others have told me that if I speak it to a native speaker they would not understand me that well.

You can find plenty of examples at Category:Spanish slang. --Tropylium (talk) 10:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


(first of all, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post a question like this, but here it goes anyway...) I've encountered the word "bold-blooded" in a a work of fiction, an I'm curious if anyone can give me a synonym or meaning. It is a bit self-explanatory but I would like a confirmation from a native speaker (which I am not)...

I suppose it means bold, but with an implication that the boldness is "in the person's blood", i.e. an intrinsic part of their character. Equinox 18:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Sounds like a pun on cold-blooded. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:01, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

try allEdit

in latin would try all be conormini or conor omni please explain

It can't be translated without context; there are simply too many unknown variables. Can you give a complete sentence? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

mugged by realityEdit

I don’t really know what this expression means. My best guess is that being mugged by reality means that you stopped being fantastic and deluded and instead perceived things for what they really are. I guess that the things being stolen are you delusions (for whatever purpose). It’s confusing because I find it rare to encounter somebody willing to concede that somebody can be progressive and still be ‘correct.’ --Romanophile (talk) 14:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree with your guess. It seems to come from Irving Kristol's remark that a neo-conservative is "a liberal who has been mugged by reality". Equinox 20:56, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I am a novice and need some help with a minor correction of my recent edit.Edit

Just did my first edit ever, adding a fifth definition for "laydown." I tried to just duplicate the format from the other defs. Anyway, the definition part went fine but the quotation ("The most important...") needs fixing as it starts with the word "most" instead of "The" and the result sticks on "passage=The" with the website link to the quotation. Please someone fix it for me or tell me how. I appreciate anyone's assistance.

By the way "laydown" is a very common fishing term that is not in any dictionary that I could find on line. —This unsigned comment was added by RGOLD3000 (talkcontribs) at 00:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC).

(at [[laydown]]: diff)

RGOLD3000: First, you forgot the closing curlies: }}. Second, we have no {{quote-article}}; I switched that to {{quote-news}}. I have to ask you, though: what kind of publication is this? We generally do not accept blogs as attestation. Can you find something printed? Keφr 15:24, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Kephir! It is a well-known on-line magazine that has also a print counterpart (Bassmaster Magazine). And it was indeed an article that can be considered a news article. Also laydown is a well-known noun in freshwater fishing. I appreciate your help! —This unsigned comment was added by RGOLD3000 (talkcontribs) at 15:53, 28 January 2015 (UTC).

You are welcome. Please remember to sign your posts with ~~~~. Keφr 19:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)