Module talk:zh/data/dial-syn/時候

點聲

@Justinrleung Do you think we should have this term in the Hokkien entries of this module, or should it be in a separate module? After all, 點聲 and 時陣 have slightly different usage patterns. The dog2 (talk) 01:14, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@The dog2: It probably shouldn't be here. I'm not sure if 時候 would be a good equivalent in Mandarin. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:01, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: In certain instances they can be equivalent. For instance, if you want to say "我開車的時候", the Hokkien equivalent will be "我捍車的點聲". The dog2 (talk) 03:41, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@The dog2: (Pinging after you've saved doesn't do anything.) Could you think of other examples where you could use 點聲? In Cantonese, 我開車的時候 could be 我揸車嗰陣時, but I wouldn't put 嗰陣時 in here because it means "that time; then". — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 16:28, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Quite often, the way to translate 什麼時候 to Hokkien will be 什物點聲. Or if you want to say 我做運動的時候 in Hokkien, you can also say 我做運動的點聲. But that said, if you want to say 我小時候, it will be 我細漢的時陣 in Hokkien, and you cannot use 點聲 in this instance. The dog2 (talk) 17:36, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@The dog2: Is it referring to a particular time of the day (like English what time) rather than a longer period of time? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 18:30, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: I'm not sure about the formal grammatical distinctions know. I learnt the differences mainly through observation and committing them to memory. But in the context of 什物點聲, then yes, it is referring to a particular time of day. But then again, if you want to say "I have no time", you don't use 點聲. You will say "我無時間". But when you say "我捍車的點聲", then I'd say no, it does not refer to that.

@Mar vin kaiser Since you speak Hokkien too, could you also give your opinion? The dog2 (talk) 18:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@The dog2: In 我捍車的點聲, wouldn't it still be a particular moment (rather than a longer period of time)? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 19:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Yeah, I guess you could say that. The dog2 (talk) 19:22, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@The dog2: Perhaps we could include 點聲 in this table, but I'm still not entirely sure. Will wait and see what Marvin thinks. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 19:25, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @Neeweeg Do you think we should include this term in the table? The dog2 (talk) 21:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@The dog2 I guess it could be included, since it seems like the equivalent of 時候, in Mandarin, can be translated as either 時陣 or 點聲, in Hokkien, though they're used in different contexts. What about 鐘點, which I use in certain contexts too, and is somewhat interchangeable with 點聲? Neeweeg (talk) 04:02, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Neeweeg: Do you know what the rule actually is. I just memorised when to use what, so I know you say 我做運動的點聲 for "when I am exercising", but on the other hand, if you want to say "when I was young", it would be 我細漢的時陣. I'm not sure what the pattern is, but I just know these are what you use in these contexts. The dog2 (talk) 04:13, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@The dog2 Nope, owing to the lack of formal education, similar to you, I'm not exactly clear about what rules or patterns there are regarding when to use 時陣 and 點聲. Instead, in certain contexts, sometimes using 時陣 or 點聲 might sound off and incorrect. I guess there's usually a verb preceding 點聲 (usually refers to a specific or particular moment or instance in time when something occurs), e.g. 伊睏的點聲忽然間有人敲電話予伊 to say "when he was sleeping, someone suddenly rang him up"; there's usually an adjective or adverb preceding 時陣 (usually refers to a certain phase in time, usually a period or era), e.g. 汝頂擺逐個有去看老君的時陣 to say "back then when you used to go to appointments with doctors every month". Neeweeg (talk) 04:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Justinrleung So what do you think now? The dog2 (talk) 04:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Chaozhou

@The dog2 Did you have a source for Chaozhou 時候? RcAlex36 (talk) 07:18, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

@RcAlex36: I can't remember exactly which video, but I have heard it multiple times in livestreams. The dog2 (talk) 07:20, 1 May 2022 (UTC)