Talk:やはり
Latest comment: 1 year ago by Fish bowl in topic Variations
Variations
edit@Eirikr Do you know anything about the variation in やっぱり〜やっぱし and あんまり〜あんまし? —Fish bowl (talk) 02:33, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Fish bowl: I've heard the versions ending in ~し when living in Japan (left there in 2005), where usage seemed to be along the lines of "same meaning, slightly more informal context".
- Looking into formal resources (particularly the KDJ), I see the following developments:
- やはり -- from 1462
- やっぱり -- from 1477
- やっぱし -- from 1785
- あまり -- from 712 as a noun, from late 900s as an adverb
- あんまり -- from 1479
- あんまし -- from 1966
- I suspect that あんまし arose due to the influence of (considerably) older やっぱし.
- The shift from ending in ~り to ending in ~し is described by the KDJ as simply a 変化, without any description of how or why. Looking at the KJD's し entry, I don't see any clear senses that fit. I wonder if this might have arisen from reason-listing し?
- ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 22:59, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- ばっちし〜ばっちり —Fish bowl (talk) 22:01, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Fish bowl: Very interesting. Seems like a parallel development: ancient adverbial ~り seems like it evolved out of あり, and now we have ~し apparently evolving out of する. フムフム、興味深い。(^^) ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 22:38, 25 July 2022 (UTC)