Using Japanese linguistic terminology for Korean etymologies?


For the Korean word 아이, it said that the spelling 兒孩 is ateji (wikt:en:Special:Permalink/78438710). I removed the ateji description, and replaced it with saying that the character is a hundokja (훈독자 / 訓讀字) in the current version. I feel like it is better to use Korean linguistic terminology rather than Japanese linguistic terminology to describe a Korean word. Is this correct? FunnyMath (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yeah honestly I felt the same way, although I'm not sure that in this case 훈독자 is the right word either? 훈독자 would be = (got), right? —Fish bowl (talk) 20:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
After thinking about it, I think this is what happened: originally, the 아 was not written with 兒. This is because none of the Sino-Korean readings of 兒 were even remotely similar to the 아 sound in Middle Korean 아ᄒᆡ〮 (àhóy) from which 아이 originates. Over time, one of the Sino-Korean readings for 兒 got corrupted into 아, and only then did people start using the spelling 兒孩. This spelling was used until the "h" sound disappeared (from 아해 (ahae) to 아이 (ai)), where there is no longer a confusion that 아이 is a Sino-Korean word, as 이 does not sound like 孩. So I think you're right; it is more accurate to describe the use of 兒 as a phono-semantic matching. I think the person who initially wrote the etymology for 아이 got confused, and thought that the spelling 兒孩 was used before the "a" reading for 兒 developed. I then built on that mistake by thinking that is a hundokja (훈독자 / 訓讀字). FunnyMath (talk) 21:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
(also, regarding the wording "Yeah honestly I felt the same way": I got confused with other Korean entries that also use the word "ateji", actually —Fish bowl (talk) 22:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC))Reply
I suspected that the word "ateji" is used in several other Korean entries. I think this is a problem for two reasons: (1) it is vague, as it could refer to the hanja being used phonetically or semantically, and (2) it might be culturally insensitive to place so much focus on Japanese terminologies instead of Korean ones; it's great that people are thinking of the differences and similarities between Korean and Japanese, but I'm not sure if Koreans would be happy to see that people are using Japanese terms to describe their language, given the history of colonialism and such. Should we go ahead and systematically get rid of all mentions of ateji and replace them with more precise terms? FunnyMath (talk) 18:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
(@SaranamdFish bowl (talk) 19:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC))Reply

کمد edit added to "Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls"


Hello there. I recently received a notification that you added the کمد page to a Category called "Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls". I am still relatively a novice at Wikipedia editing and hence, I do not know what that Catagory is, or if the page getting added to it suggests that I have a responsibility to fulfill (e.g. fix/change my edit, or something like that, etc...). It would be great if you could let me know if there is anything I must do, or if it is unrelated to me. Thanks in advance.MarkParker1221 (talk) 11:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@MarkParker1221 Your edit had "qq2=" twice, which added the entry to the maintenance category Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls (and "qq3=" for the 4th item?), which I corrected in that edit. I notified you in case my correction (changing "qq2"/"qq2"/"qq3" to "qq2"/"qq3"/"qq4") was wrong. (Also, don't worry too much about it, because it is definitely easy to lose track of the numbers or make a typo; there's an alternative syntax without numbers now, too, if you prefer: Template:syn#Inline modifiers) —Fish bowl (talk) 18:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see, thanks for letting me know. Yes, that was a mistake on my end. MarkParker1221 (talk) 00:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Are all North Korean entries already stubbified?


I noticed that you once stubbified the entry 령도자 and subsequently transferred the content to the main entry 영도자, thus I'm wondering if every North Korean entry must remain a stub without exceptions as an unspoken rule. Another thing is I feel inclined to re-gloss the word 자욱 which has been glossed as proscribed, sometimes literary or poetic while being the standard spelling form in Munhwaŏ is currently not demonstrated at all so if it would be a clearer and more straightforward way to impose {{ko-regional} template on the term just like any other entry does? Maraschino Cherry (talk) 15:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Maraschino Cherry: For practical reasons, we treat SK Korean as the standard: Wiktionary:AKO#North_vs._South_Korea. As for 자욱, based on your decsription, I would add {{ko-regional}} and probably "|or|North Korea" to {{label}}. —Fish bowl (talk) 19:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply