Talk:Goldfish cracker
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Move to Goldfish. DAVilla 09:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- I have heard fishy cracker on several occasions of a mother to a young child, in reference to same. Facts707 (talk) 20:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Fishy cracker does seem attestable. I'm not sure if it's common enough to redefine Goldfish as a fishy cracker. DAVilla 21:11, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Two questions: does it meet WT:BRAND, and is the cracker ever attested as "Goldfish" without the "cracker"? bd2412 T 16:37, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure to be included as a brand name, it would have to be attested without "cracker", which rather gives away what it is, a cracker in the shape of a goldfish. Tho I guess you could hunt very thoroughly for something that requires an understanding that it's specifically a cheese cracker, without mentioning that fact. Most cites I see fall into one of two categories, either mentioning Pepperidge Farms when referring to Goldfish crackers, or just talking about goldfish crackers in lowercase. The inclusion of Goldfish I don't doubt would pass, if the term frequently in lowercase is almost genericized, except that it's very difficult to hunt that word alone. DAVilla 08:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Goldfish crackers are not necessarily cheese-flavored. The Pepperidge Farm Original Goldfish crackers are not cheese-flavored. —Mahāgaja · talk 08:52, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- This Fast Company article uses "Goldfish cracker" on the first instance and then "Goldfish" on subsequent references without mentioning Pepperidge Farms until the fifth graf. Pepperidge Farms styles them as Goldfish® crackers or Goldfish® baked snack crackers, but also as Goldfish® grahams for the sweet versions. It seems to me that "Goldfish" should meet WT:BRAND, if for nothing else the way the manufacturer distinguishes between the savory crackers and the sweet cookies. Move. Tcr25 (talk) 13:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- I don't doubt your conclusion, (edit Sept 19:) or, I should say, the logic, all on solid ground.
- But to be clear, references like that would not be counted. The idea behind WT:BRAND is that the reader would be expected to just know what a Goldfish is, without having to ever be told it's a cracker, or that it's a trademark, or that it's something produced by Pepperidge Farms, all of which would invalidate a citation for this purpose. DAVilla 09:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure to be included as a brand name, it would have to be attested without "cracker", which rather gives away what it is, a cracker in the shape of a goldfish. Tho I guess you could hunt very thoroughly for something that requires an understanding that it's specifically a cheese cracker, without mentioning that fact. Most cites I see fall into one of two categories, either mentioning Pepperidge Farms when referring to Goldfish crackers, or just talking about goldfish crackers in lowercase. The inclusion of Goldfish I don't doubt would pass, if the term frequently in lowercase is almost genericized, except that it's very difficult to hunt that word alone. DAVilla 08:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)