Talk:part

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Sole preposition sense:

  1. (often as “part (something), part (something else)”) partially composed of
    • 1919, Henry Seidel Canby, Ph. D., Making of America Project: New Books Reviewed, page 711:
      “ We cannot make a plodding and sensible community—a Holland or a Pennsylvania—out of a national personality which, whether by harsh circumstance or native tendency, is now part genius, part fanatic, and part hard-headed materialist.”

I think is is more readily interpreted as an adjective. DCDuring TALK 22:48, 5 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

Sounds more adverbial to me. Can be defined as partially. JamesjiaoTC 23:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)Reply
Based on the usexes they provide, most dictionaries call it an adjective when it is part of a predicate NP and an adverb only when it modifies a true adjective. But "partly" and "partially" both seem like acceptable synonyms in US English at least. DCDuring TALK 18:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)Reply
Or noun. Essentially short for "one part genius, one (not necessarily equal in size) part fanatic, one (possibly different in size again) part hard-headed materialist", like a recipe for a cocktail.​—msh210 (talk) 17:51, 6 December 2010 (UTC)Reply
I think of hypothesized ellipses as cheating, suitable only for such more speculative realms as etymology. DCDuring TALK 18:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)Reply
I didn't really mean it's short/elliptical for what I wrote. Hence "essentially". I meant only that part can be understood here as a noun as in a recipe for a cocktail: "part genius, part fanatic" is like "this cocktail is one part Kahlúa, one part rum". I don't know, though: I can't imagine anyone using that construction with any other unit of measure (contrast "three acres corn, one acre soybeans" with *"three acres corn, acre soybeans").​—msh210 (talk) 19:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)Reply
all and fractions do the same thing: "he's half man, half ape"; "he's all ape"; "he's one-third man, two-thirds ape". I agree with Jamesjiao that it's adverbial, though I'm not sure if it's an adverb per se, or just an adverbial noun (as msh210 says). I'm leaning toward the latter. —RuakhTALK 20:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)Reply
Almost all OneLook dictionaries have the adverb sense usually illustrating it with an expression using an adjective: "It is part red". RHU, MWO, AHD, WNW, and Encarta have the adjective sense illustrating it with a noun: "He is part owner". The PoS label seems hard to assign and limit and yet people speak such expressions without hesitation or objection from others. For us to add the possibility of "preposition" seems to be a needless and unjustified addition to the mix. DCDuring TALK 22:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)Reply
  • Maybe I'm crazy, but I see (deprecated template usage) part as an adjective qualifying "genius" (in that example), so the sense to me is "a partial genius" and not "partially a genius". Consider that "part-man" often has a hyphen and can itself be a noun phrase in a sentence: "The part-man, part-genius, has done it again!" Ƿidsiþ 09:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)Reply
Kept for no consensus.--Jusjih 14:54, 13 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
Wait — what? No one above was saying it's a preposition.​—msh210 (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2011 (UTC)Reply

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Right. We were looking to resolve the whole matter, but no one has supported the preposition PoS section. DCDuring TALK 00:19, 14 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
Well, no one was saying it's any of the other PoSes either. So I must assume it doesn't exist? -- Liliana 00:26, 14 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
We have Adjective and Adverb senses, both of which are consistent with the usage example in the Preposition section. DCDuring TALK 00:31, 14 December 2011 (UTC)Reply

whatever, deleted -- Liliana 05:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

on someone's part edit

for example in his words implicate an error on my part --Backinstadiums (talk) 14:58, 8 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Coordinate terms: partly... partly edit

The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language , page 184, reads

May is virtually excluded in [ii], partly by informal get, partly by the likelihood of it being interpreted epistemically rather than dynamically).

Here partly represents half of the reasons. --Backinstadiums (talk) 17:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

in large part edit

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+large+part --Backinstadiums (talk) 10:04, 19 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

half: a part of a pair edit

half: a part of a pair --Backinstadiums (talk) 17:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Catalan pronunciation edit

@Vriullop I'm hearing this pronounced as /ˈpar/. Is this a variation? – Jberkel 11:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Jberkel The elision of ending -t is not so common as in groups like vent or malalt, but it is possible also in -rt. Myself, Central Catalan with Balearic ancestors, pronounce it as /ˈpar(t)/ with a silent articulation and avoiding homophony. So, yes, it is a variation in relaxed speech, I'd say in Central Catalan, but not in formal speech. I.e., the DCVB usually registers colloquial variations of the pronunciation, but it does not note it in part. On the contrary, it is common in the plural: /ˈpars/. --Vriullop (talk) 12:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

uncountable noun edit

As in in (great) part. --Backinstadiums (talk) 11:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

part from ? edit

(transitive) followed by from: to cause to relinquish, esp reluctantly: he's not easily parted from his cash. --Backinstadiums (talk) 16:36, 3 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Norwegian noun? edit

Should there be a Norwegian section for "part" which seems to mean: "party" as in "an affected party", and its other forms eg. parter, partene 142.117.246.80 15:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

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