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Polish requestsEdit

Hi Shumkichi! I've been looking at your recent entries, and I'm happy to see all the high-quality Polish content you've been adding. I have a few Polish requests, and I was wondering if you'd be interested in helping — if so, I'll list them. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: Sure, go ahead. I can't guarantee that I will find reliable sources for all the entries, though. Btw. do you really speak Yiddish fluently? I find this language sooo fascinating as it's such an amalgam of different and distant languages and I would really like to study it one day, but the alphabet kinda turns me off. Which variety/dialect do you speak? Is it Polish Yiddish :)? Shumkichi (talk) 05:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! I was hoping for an entry for Przemyśl, and a quotation from a book (with translation into English) for łomot, husaria, and the other Polish words nominated for foreign word of the day. Quotes should be formatted per WT:QUOTE and can most easily be found on Google Books, but feel free to ask if you need any help.
As for Yiddish, yes, I really am reasonably fluent, though I have holes in my vocabulary that a native speaker wouldn't. The alphabet is really not too hard, and I can send you some PDFs if you want to learn. I speak a bit of an amalgam of Yiddish itself, as my grandparents speak pidgin Yiddish with a Ukrainian accent, and my teachers were mostly Litvaks — unfortunately, I have had much less exposure to the Polish dialect. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge: I've just created the entry for Przemyśl and I'll try to see about the other requests later if you don't mind. And as for quotations, it's not a problem, I've got a good many Polish books and these words are quite common; but I'm not sure if it's OK in here to simply translate whole sentences into English. I mean, I've always found it a little bit weird of the en.wiki to allow any user to unprofessionally translate passages taken from actual books. Wouldn't it be much better to find a good English translation of a book and locate a certain passage; and if there's no such a translation, just leave it blank? Shumkichi (talk) 05:41, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Well, I think you'll find it much easier to use Google Books than actual physical books. As for the translations, the extent to which they are unprofessional is the same as everything else on Wiktionary. The success of the project is founded upon the idea that non-professionals can produce a professional product if they work hard enough. I trust your ability to translate faithfully into English, and as a native English speaker, I will read over your translations to make sure that they sound natural and comprehensible. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:37, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, just dropping by again to see if you'd be willing to translate Polish quotations for Foreign Words of the Day. I just set wpływ for tomorrow, and I was wondering if you could translate some or all of the quotes that the entry already has. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Part of speech in derived termsEdit

Please don't include the part of speech of derived terms with the {{q}}. It's unnecessary, looks very messy, and it's not a normal practice on Wiktionary. —Rua (mew) 16:39, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

They have it on many Polish entries already. I don’t understand at all what’s so great with it. Rarely I give the part of speech with the |pos=, but there are several reasons why one does not have to state the part of speech of all. In Polish, the form almost always bewrays the part of speech. Another reason is that you can just translate the terms. Or give |g= to all nouns, however also rarely needed. And it is futile work. Fay Freak (talk) 17:43, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Well, to me, it is rather neat than messy, so ding-ding-ding, points for everyone. Your opinions are naturally SUBJECTIVE, so they are irrelevant to the discussion (the whole discussion itself being irrelevant too), but the same is true about my opinion on the use of the q-template, so you can actually piss off. XOXO Shumkichi (talk) 18:55, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

kąpieluszkaEdit

Thank you very much for your help on kąpieluszka. But I am very interested in the etymology and hope you can help with that as well. Is it derived from kąpiel "bath", or is it a portmanteau of kąpiel and pieluszka "diaper"? Or is it segmentable into three parts all its own and not derived from either of those others? Thanks, Soap (talk) 21:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights SurveyEdit

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Reminder: Community Insights SurveyEdit

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RasistowskiEdit

Why did you do diff? Rasistowski means racist. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 18:19, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Polish entriesEdit

Hi there, I've noticed you've been tidying up some of my entries so I just wanted to say thank you for that (or should that be dziękuję). However, I'm a bit confused by some of the edits. I don't really understand the benefit, for example, of changing {{wiki}} to {{wp}} (both of which redirect to {{wikipedia}}) or swapping the order of two sources (personally I think the PWN link is leagues better than WSJP, hence why I always place it first). I'm not trying to have a go at you at all, I'm just interested in hearing your rationale. Cheers, BigDom 13:27, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough. Honesty is the best policy, I suppose. Consistency is good but I think a standard template should be a collaborative effort. Let's carry on doing things our own ways for now. Cheers, BigDom 23:57, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Gender of Mari ElEdit

The gender of Mari El/Mari Eł is feminine according to the English Wiktionary, and neuter according to the Polish Wiktionary. Do you know which one—if either—is correct? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 22:07, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the great response. I will change it to masculine inanimate based on the phonetics though (since it seems a more reasonable assumption than feminine). Also, it is "preceded" not "precedided." İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 23:37, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
I know, I just could not let it go. XD İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 23:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Nesting derivation templatesEdit

Hi, I saw that you frequently put a {{bor}} template in an {{af}} template. There are some less 'duct-tapish' workarounds for that, you can see them at racjonalny and realny (the latter doesn't put the term in the category "X terms borrowed from Y"). ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

How are you doing? Our last exchange drew a lot more involvement from others than I expected. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 15:55, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

StubsEdit

Hi! Thank you for editing me. These edited stubs will help me a lot :) --Chomczurek065 (talk) 22:22, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

nałożyćEdit

Hi. I created the verb nałożyć which you posted on Wiktionary:Requested entries (Polish). Check if it is ok :) Tashi (talk) 19:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Example sentencesEdit

Hi there. I'm hoping to start adding more example sentences to my entries, e.g. oblać. I think they're really useful for learners but obviously I'm not a native speaker so just want to check that they sound OK. If they're crap/unnatural feel free to remove them and tell me and I'll just stick to doing dictionary translations like before. Cheers, BigDom 09:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@BigDom No, they're great, all are grammatically correct and sound pretty natural. Where did you get the sentences from if I may ask? Shumkichi (talk) 10:03, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for checking. Some of them were from my head, some of them were based on examples in one of the dictionaries I use (e.g. [2]) but I tried to spin them out into full sentences. I'm just trying to get used to using Polish more in general (as opposed to just reading) so this is a good way of doing it. BigDom 10:27, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Parts of speech - mnóstwo, dużo, kilka, etc.Edit

Hi, hope you're well. Just wondered if I could get your input on something. Currently, our entries for quantity words like mnóstwo, dużo, mało, kilka, niektóry etc. are listed under various types of speech. For example, mnóstwo and mało are "numerals"; dużo is an "adverb"; kilka, wiele and niektóry are "adjectives"(!) and so on. We also have entries like od groma & w chuj, which are listed as adverbs but definitely not only used as such (e.g. tu jest od groma much).

To me, these are all clearly the same POS and should be listed as such. Out of the three labels above, "numeral" seems the best match, although in English we would usually call such words "determiners" (or "quantifiers"). I don't really mind what we pick as long as they're consistent. What do you think? BigDom 16:58, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

  • @BigDom Hi. I understand why someone would treat "niektóry" as an adjective because it has a standard adjectival declension pattern (niektórych, niektórego, niektórej (feminine) etc.). But it's actually a pronoun (in Polish, we use many more labels to categorise adverbs and pronouns, for example, than you guys in English, so "niektóry" would be a "zaimek nieokreślony" in PWN). As for the rest of them: in some contexts, these words behave like uncomparable adverbs but in others, they are more like numerals. Even our linguists seem to have a problem with their classification and some dictionaries treat them always as numerals while others say their classification is context-dependent. Here are some examples of this way of reasoning: link. So idk, I wouldn't mind classifying these words as numerals (PWN treats them as such) but at least some of them should be labeled as both numerals and adverbs in different contexts. All in all, if you want to follow the official directions, I think the best option would be to stick to what PWN (and, to a lesser degree, WSJP) says about these words because pl.wiktionary is often quite messy as they add colloquial contexts that will often be absent from dictionaries. EDIT: But, in their defence, they sometimes follow what PWN says but other dictionaries don't (e.g. the word "razy" is correctly classified as a conjuction even though other dictionaries don't even classify this word, and instead, they call it a" function word"). Shumkichi (talk) 17:15, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
  • OK, yeah I gathered that was the case for niektóry. Like you say, it may be that for many of these (e.g. dużo) we just include them with two parts of speech, adverb and numeral. And maybe if we have time/can be bothered, examples to show the subtle differences. Thanks for your input. Cheers, BigDom 17:39, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

The (now-infamous) 'wyhajster'Edit

I was wondering whether the word 'wyhajster' could fit into the norms set by the Wiktionary community. For that purpose, I assembled a couple of quotes by means of Google: https://megane.com.pl/topic/56490-g%C5%82o%C5%9Bniki/page/2/, https://www.nieruchomosci.egospodarka.pl/grupy/Instalacja-fotowoltaiczna-w-domu,t,551708,p,5,8.html, https://www.wykop.pl/wpis/32477351/mirki-taki-kontakt-mozna-na-luzie-wepchnac-do-srod/, https://www.wykop.pl/wpis/13426173/civilization5-dzisiejsza-gra-zakonczona-bombardowa/, and http://myszamovie.pl/2015/01/rozwiazanie-i-wyniki-konkursu-disneyowskiego/#.YGJT36_7RPY. All five of those quotations originate from seemingly independent sources and span a total of four years (from June 2014 to June 2018). They also come from 'media such as Usenet groups, which are durably archived by Google', which are said to be among the most sought-after sources. For what it's worth, I, too, pride myself on being a curious specimen who persists in using the form 'wyhajster'. Therefore, I can attest to its current usage (that is, if you take my assertion at face value, as I can't, of course, legitimately prove it). However, apart from my family members, I don't know anyone who is familiar with the word 'wyhajster' as such. What do you think about reinstating the word to the dictionary? Regards, KarolloraK555 (talk) 18:51, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

  • @KarolloraK555 I've never heard anyone use this form but I come from Mazowsze and use standard semi-literary Polish on a daily basis, and the fact that some people on the Internet spell it with "y" may stem from the fact that either these people are uneducated or that they were writing something informal on Wykop and tried to sound funny, d'uh. Alternatively, it may reflect a certain way of speaking, probably influenced by some dialect I'm not familiar with. But let's be honest, these days 100% of Polish people use the standard dialect that arose after the war as a result of dialect levelling. Tbh., I actually don't really hear people say even "wihajster", either. Maybe it's an old-fashioned word in my part of the country. As for making it an entry here, I will probably delete it if someone creates it, even as an alternative form of "wihajster", because the former cannot be found in any dictionary and is certainly not common. I'm not a fan of spelling dialectal forms the way they're pronounced on the phonetic level because dialects don't have standardised ways of writing. Shumkichi (talk) 19:22, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
    • or that they were writing something informal on Wykop and tried to sound funny

Outside of Wykop it shouldn't be regarded as funny, so I would rather stick to the theory that it's either a mistake or a regional variant. Apparently, at least for me, 'wyhajster' is the kind of dialectal intrusion which goes unnoticed until you dig deeper.

these days 100% of Polish people use the standard dialect that arose after the war as a result of dialect levelling

That's precisely the reason why dialects should be recorded somewhere, and miscellaneous low-profile websites are not the best place to store adequate data. Judging by the fact that since the Polish dictionary edited by Witold Doroszewski was published (that's more than 50 years ago), no serious competition has emerged (the SJP is a travesty, and the WSJP is apparently underfunded), I don't believe that a Polish dialect dictionary (cf. the DARE or even the EDD to see what I mean) would be due anytime soon. I think that Wiktionary (either the Polish- or the English-language version) is one of the more fitting means for this purpose (not that I know any dialect whatsoever well enough to use it, let alone catalogue its features). Moreover, 'dialect levelling' sounds like a code word for 'dialect death'.

Tbh., I actually don't really hear people say even "wihajster", either.

As for the basic form, I talked to some people (who, for the record, also 'come from Mazowsze and use standard semi-literary Polish on a daily basis' :), just as I do) about it and turns out that 'wihajster' is alive and well, and the its relative obscurity might stem from the fact that it's nowadays apparently endemic to home language, i.e. everyone knows what it means, but it's rarely used in public.

I will probably delete it if someone creates it

I'm not that combative, and edit warring is not for me. I'm not going to do it unless I find a really solid source (a book, for example), which now seems rather unlikely. Nevertheless, for the time being, here's one more flimsy link for you: https://gerlic.pl/wihajster-i-dyngs.

I'm not a fan of spelling dialectal forms the way they're pronounced on the phonetic level because dialects don't have standardised ways of writing.

Fair enough. At least freaks of nature such as 'poedział', 'pedział', 'pedzioł', etc., won't be included (note: I am aware that one of them might in fact be in the Silesian dialect; regardless, I intended to use those for illustrative purposes only). That notwithstanding, I believe the 'wihajster'–'wyhajster' dichotomy (or, for that matter, the 'wihajster'–'wichajster'[1]–'wyhajster' triad) is another pair of shoes. KarolloraK555 (talk) 14:05, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
PS Sorry for the clunky <ref> template, but, unfortunately, I couldn't find any better way to cite a source on a discussion page. If you're a stickler for neatness with regard to formatting, please feel free to either improve it or get rid of the citation altogether.
@KarolloraK555 It's ok, idgaf about formatting at all xd You can do whatever you want on my talk page. Anyway, yes, 'dialect levelling' is a fancy euphemism for dialect/language death (as there are no precise boundaries between a dialect and a language - for example, you've mentioned Silesian which is arguably much less intelligible to Polish speakers than Swedish is to Norwegians and vice versa, yet the latter are considered separate languages for socio-political reasons; the point I'm making here is: pisiory, dajcie śląskiemu status języka regionalnego, jebani kretyni). But that's the term we use in linguistics so here you go. It's sad that dialects are dying out all over the world but what can you do? Our leaders are a bunch of idiots who don't understand the importance of language as a social and cultural concept. As for the actual point made here, just as you've said, we don't create separate entries for the forms like "pedzieć" because they are different only on the phonetic level, and Underlying Representation should take precedence IMO. So why should we bother with creating "wyhajster", how is this word different from "pedzieć" (except that you're likely to imagine a hobo when you think of the latter)? Tbh, I think the criteria for the inclusion of words here are sometimes idiotic (for example, look what's happening to the English entries here - people add whatever they want, even if some of these entries aren't idiomatic at all). Shumkichi (talk) 14:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
  • As a matter of fact, I agree with you with respect to 'wyhajster'; and the disappearance of dialects is a great tragedy indeed. BTW, I've recently acquired a dictionary of Cracow regionalisms, and I'm looking forward to skimming through it. Best regards, KarolloraK555 (talk) 16:11, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

ReferencesEdit

  1. ^ Żurowski, Sebastian (2015), “Czy wihajster jest nazwą artefaktu? Szkic leksykologiczny [Is wihajster a name for an artifact? A lexicological study]”, in w:pl:Studia z Filologii Polskiej i Słowiańskiej[1] (PDF, in Polish), volume 50, w:pl:Instytut Slawistyki Polskiej Akademii Nauk, DOI:10.11649/sfps.2015.005, ISSN 0081-7090, pages 79–81, 83, 87, 90, 92

Edits and entry creationsEdit

You seem to have a pretty specific way of creating entries. Care to explain yourself, or would you rather be pithy and just complain?

What I'm referring to are your comments such as the ones left on dawać słowo and abdukcja. I don't mind corrections, but please explain yourself rather than being rude to some person. All I'm trying to do is find similar words and create something along similar lines. What do you mean create it the English way? I based my entries on other Polish entries. As to the "not finding your opinion important" comment, a little arrogant, but that's neither here nor there. Vininn126 (talk) 14:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

  • What way are you referring to exactly? What formatting? I'd be happy to change it if you pointed out an exact thing. You didn't have to start off harsh to teach me something. And I did not imply that your edits didn't add anything. I don't know what you mean by "the English way". What exactly does that mean? (talk) 14:57, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
    • Well if you aren't going to explain yourself, I'm just going to continue creating entries the best I can and ignore your comments. (talk) 13:00, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Apology acceptedEdit

I appreciate what you've said, and you're absolutely right that I'm still struggling with the technical aspects. When you're not being rude, your corrections were actually very helpful. Like I said, I'm trying my best. I think there are only a few things we disagree on in terms of linguistics (such as what counts as transitive xD), but overall we have similar views. I hope we can continue to work together and you can show me what I need to improve. A lot of my errors are from older entries (which should probably be cleaned up but ew), which I copied and pasted. I could have found some by other users, too. There were also some really dumb mistakes (yeah, I should have checked those, totally my fault). But, live and learn. A propos the audio - is there like a database I can check? Or what? I'd love to add them, but it's something I'm still learning to do (xD). Vininn126 (talk) 20:32, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

  • That's understandable. I also see your side in that issue and will defer to that for now. I've also been trying to update the Polish side of Wiktionary. It's a bit of a pain though. I'll do some research on audio files and the like probably tomorrow. Vininn126 (talk) 20:46, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

fjutEdit

Co jest nie tak z odnośnikiem do nagrania, że zostało ono wycofane? DrKumpelek (talk) 14:51, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

@DrKumpelek A to, że odnosi się do formy "fiut", a nie "fjut". Mamy tu wiele słów, które mają oboczne zapisy, i każdy z nich ma oddzielne pliki audio, mimo że są wymawiane tak samo. Shumkichi (talk) 14:52, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

zrzynaćEdit

Hi. Could you provide an example for the second meaning (to do, to fuck). As a Polish native speaker I can't imagine a sentence with zrzynać having this meaning. Tashi (talk) 12:12, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

  • @Tashi Ja też nie użyłbym formy niedokonanej w tym znaczeniu, ale tak twierdzi PWN (oni często twierdzą wiele głupich rzeczy, ale co zrobić, trzeba zaakceptować ich zacofanie językowe).Shumkichi (talk) 12:25, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
    • Sorry, myślałem, że rozmawiam z Anglikiem :). Sprawdziłem i faktycznie PWN tak podaje chociaż dla mnie zrzynać i zerżnąć to zupełnie dwa wyrazy, które mogą znaczyć podobnie, ale nie w tym kontekście. Tashi (talk) 12:28, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

rajcować borrowednessEdit

Yep, someone changed {{affix}} and the rest so that |lang1= and so on don't categorize in "terms borrowed from" categories anymore, and I had forgotten. — Eru·tuon 00:51, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

PasiarzEdit

Hi, Pasiarz is an actual translation of that word used in the Polish translation of the books and the TV series The Expanse. You can for example find it mentioned in this article, in the context of Belters. Same with Wolkan, being a translation of the Vulcan, used even by actuall Wikipedia article (Wolkanie). Please, don't accuse me of trolling, because I consider myself a professional editor who gives my free time to help expand Wikiprojects, as I assume, as same as you. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 14:00, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

  • @Artemis Andromeda If you only read what I actually wrote, you'd know that I mentioned I'm aware it's an actual translation. But the words are non-lemmas, nonce words limited only to the series which hasn't had much impact on our Polish culture, unlike, e.g., LotR - you can easily find "elf" or "hobbit(ka)" in most dictionaries. The terms from Star Trek are nowhere to be found in the dictionaries. Idc who you consider yourself to be if you put some "fucked up" shit in the actual entry. Shumkichi (talk) 14:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

zatęchnąćEdit

Hey, just wanted to check this edit. Both SWP and SGJP give the past tense as zatęchł, zatęchła etc, which is why I didn't use the -nąć template. Obviously you're a native and I'm not so thought I would check before undoing. Cheers, BigDom 13:49, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

  • @BigDom You may be right, I didn't check the result of my edit, I just assumed you forgot to use the template or copy-pasted it from a different entry. "Zatęchł" sounds a little pompous or pretentious to me, possibly dated, but if that's what the dictionaries say, I'll revert my edit. I would personally not have a problem with "zatęchnął" but maybe I want to generalise the more intuitive form on every verb. Sorry for the confusion. And it doesn't matter that I'm a native speaker, I often disagree with the prescriptivist policies of PWN (WSJP is a little more up-to-date imo). Shumkichi (talk) 14:02, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

IPA moduleEdit

I did some work on the IPA module and now it prints both the palatalization and the /j/. However, it has been brought to my attention that because this is not phonemic, just phonetic, that it shouldn't be double marked as such. I wanted your input, should it be left as it is, or should we instead remove (in my opinion) the palatalization marker should be removed. Vininn126 (talk) 17:33, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

  • @Vininn126 Well, if we keep /ŋ/ for "n" before /k, g, x/, even though it's only phonetic, then why should we not mark palatalisation as well? Btw., idk why but the template for Polish homophones doesn't seem to work correctly and the category is empty. Shumkichi (talk) 22:19, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Well, that's something I was wondering about. After talking to various coworkers, it seems like that's not something everyone does. I've noticed some people assimilate and some don't, depending on the word, I wonder if we should leave that as it is. So, if you're okay with it, I'm going to leave the palatalization as it is, with both /ʲ/ and /j/, (though I need to add a few more it seems). And what do you mean about the homophones? Vininn126 (talk) 22:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
@Vininn126 asdf Well, I certainly use such assimilations. You know, linguistically ignorant people very often claim things about their language that aren't true at all but they want them to be true. For example, many people would say that "smog" and "smok" don't sound the same, even though they are homophones, because they think in terms of phonemic orthography and don't even realise that we have final obstruent-devoicing. As for the homophones: "This category currently contains no pages", and the words in which the template is used are not categorised as homophones. Shumkichi (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
I am very aware of that xD i've had to tell so many people that, yes, they do talk that way, even when they don't realize it, especially when it comes to devoicing. But I've been paying close attention to these people's niestaranną wymowę and I've noticed less assimilation, and I still haven't figured out when and where it is. I'm not sure what region you're from, but I currently live in Warsaw, and perhaps we starting to see some new variation after all the flattening? Can you send me a link to this page, and I can ask some people on the discord about it? P.S. nevermind, i found the link. I'll look into it. Vininn126 (talk) 22:33, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
@Vininn126 I also live in the capital region, not in Warsaw itself but very close to it and I often visit the city because I study at UW. I don't know, I admit that I don't usually pay close attention to how people speak. You're probably in a better position to catch any subtle differences because you're a foreigner. But even if you're right, I'm not sure if we should judge the standard language by how people use it colloquially, especially in fast speech. If we wanted the IPA template to be fully phonemic, we would also have to mark "smog" as /smog/, not /smok/, probably ignore the allophones of ą and ę, etc. Shumkichi (talk) 22:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
I wonder if that's a step too far. BTW, I figured out how to add pages to the category, check out żądny and rządny. So that's a massive pain in the ass. xD Vininn126 (talk) 23:04, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
@Vininn126 Thank you. But the thing is that a few days ago, the template alone worked just fine and there were over 1000 entries in the category. Has somebody done something to the code or what? Shumkichi (talk) 23:07, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
@Vininn126 Oh, yeah, looks like I'm right. Look at the general category, all the subcategories for ALL languages are empty: CLICK Shumkichi (talk) 23:10, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Posted about this on the discord, Eru found the cause, says they'll fix it. Vininn126 (talk) 23:14, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

HiEdit

I saw you edited some of the entries I created in LT. Can you give me any suggestions for how to make them better in the future? 70.175.192.217 03:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

BlockEdit

You're no longer blocked, as far as I can see. — SGconlaw (talk) 20:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I can only edit my user talk but nothing else. I wanted to edit an entry but am still not allowed to. Shumkichi (talk) 20:41, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Well, I can't unblock you because the system is showing that you're not blocked. Perhaps @Chuck Entz can help. — SGconlaw (talk) 22:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Whatever it was, I can't find any trace of it. The block should have expired 8 hours before you posted here. I checked your IP address, and there's nothing in the block log for that address, nor for the /16 or /24 ranges including it. The abuse filter log shows nothing for your account since the 8th, and that was just an informational item. I see that you were editing in mainspace again less than an hour later, so I guess that all's well that ends well. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:03, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

-utkoEdit

I think -utko is closer to -utki + o, and should probably be retired. Vininn126 (talk) 20:05, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

These adverbs can be analysed both ways, as either coming from the diminutive form of an adjective or from the basic adverb. But idc anymore, whichever you choose, I will go for it. Shumkichi (talk) 20:13, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

za jednym zamachemEdit

I coulda sworn I made that, did I mess up moving it or something? Asking so I can do it in the future, in case of something like that again. Either that, or I forgot xD Vininn126 (talk) 17:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

There was an imminent deletion template used in the last edit. Shumkichi (talk) 17:49, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome backEdit

Good to see you've returned. BigDom 09:19, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Thamks, good to see you, too. Btw. I've always wondered where your nickname comes from. Is it some kind of sexual innuendo? Shumkichi (talk) 10:32, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

IdiomaticEdit

Hey just so you know, idiomatic shouldn't go on every multiword entry. (On ożenić kosę sure), but that's why we have the multiword entry category. Vininn126 (talk) 13:54, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I of course disagree, as always: "idiom - the syntactical, grammatical, or structural form peculiar to a language". "Niedźwiedź biały(/polarny)" as the name of the species (as opposed to the non-idiomatic noun phrase "biały niedźwiedź" which simply means "some unspecified bear that has white fur") is no less idiomatic than "wziąć ślub". The former is of course a word-for-word equivalent of English "polar bear", except that it isn't as the order of the adjective in noun phrases in Polish is dependent on the idiomaticity of the phrase in consideration, which doesn't occur in any other Slavic language as far as I know, or in English. It functions as an independent construction and makes sense only when these two words are used together as a noun phrase, so it's a single idiomatic entity. Just because there are similar noun phrases in other languages means nothing - if a Polish idiom has exactly the same equivalent in, say, Russian but ebery other language lacks it, is it idiomatic in Polish or not, since it occurs in both of these languages? Idiomatic are also grammatical structures such as "I am A doctor" which uses an indefinite article vs. French "Je suis médecin" without any article as the copula is followed by a job title, and this is idiomatic to the French language. Or the fact that Germanic languages in general prefer to have noun compounds as noun phrases while Slavic and Romance languages are more likely to use a combination of a noun and an adjective (that's why relational adjectives in English are usually borrowed from Latin or French and sound much more official, even stilted, when used instead of a simple compound; compare for example "springtime" and "vernal time" - the second one doesn't sound quite right, does it? It would be extremely pretentious to say such a thing in everyday conversations).
We don't list such structures as idioms here because they're not lemmas (the slot for a job title can be occupied by the name for a plumber, nurse, school teacher etc., so it's just an abstract variable). However, nominal and verbal (and some adjectival) phrases function as independent lemmas. Every single multi-word lemma should be marked as idiomatic 😏😏😏. Shumkichi (talk) 14:23, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

The myterious /f/Edit

It's being devoiced by the cz before it. Vininn126 (talk) 15:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Vininn126 Actually, the other way around. Assimilation is regressive in such cases so cz gets voiced to dż. Shumkichi (talk) 15:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm just explaining how it's happening. But Czwarty should be dżwarty? ;) rz and w don't do that, and so the module accounts for that. Vininn126 (talk) 15:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
@Vininn126 But it's different at word boundaries I think. I'm trying to find a source but for now you have to believe me, I don't devoice the /v/ in this phrase. I'm gonna look for some source. Shumkichi (talk) 15:14, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

BlockEdit

I'm assuming that your account has been compromised. —Justin (koavf)TCM 14:07, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Ironic Nazism isn't acceptable, nor is ironic bigotry. If I see it again, I will block you. —Justin (koavf)TCM 14:50, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Diaereses in Dutch hyphenationsEdit

Dutch hyphenations should omit diaereses if they stand over a vowel that may be preceded by a hyphen. (So they remain at the end of a word.) ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 19:07, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo No, as this is syllabification, it reflects the ORTHOGRAPHY of the word. You don't have to explain to me what diaeresis is for. Shumkichi (talk) 19:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Read again, it's hyphenation, not syllabification. There's a difference. Thadh (talk) 19:18, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
@Thadh Lalalala, I'm gonna pretend I didn't see your message :* Shumkichi (talk) 19:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Syllabification and hyphenation are distinct in Dutch. Single vowels may form separate syllables but prescriptively they are never valid units for hyphenation.
Also, what's up with those weird blocks? You have a one-day block but are not barred from editing. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 18:47, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
@Lingo Bingo Dingo I don't really want to talk about it, I'm tired of having to deal with some ppl here; if you're interested, just check my user page (which I can't edit anymore because some admin really doesn't like me) or my recent contributions. It's really disheartening to be treated like that just because some PC ppl don't understand what free speech is about and abuse their powers. Thanks for being nice to me, though, that's rare when it comes to my person. Shumkichi (talk) 18:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Let's see if I have this right:Edit

"Stop stalking me! It's none of your business if I want to smear feces all over myself. And if you disagree with me, that just proves that you have an elbow growing out of your forehead..."

Seriously, though: if no one hated you, I think you'd die of boredom. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:53, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz Nobody asked for your opinion, anon. And of course it's none of anyone's business what I write on my OWN user page. Shumkichi (talk) 06:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
... but why, do you need to do all this, given your indef block on enwiki and year-long block on plwiki? Just focus on your editing and discussions strictly related to it; from what I've seen, off-topic/irrelevant posts like this are simply reverted (esp. if they're from newcomers/anons). —Svārtava (t/u) • 07:43, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
@Svartava What is this, a crossover episode? I don't remember inviting anyone else to the party. But since you've already written to me, can you explain how is what I'm doing an obstacle to adding entries, lol? Give me just one LOGICAL reason. A LOGICAL one, that's crucial. Shumkichi (talk) 08:41, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
It gets you blocked for violating the rules. See WT:USER. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:25, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
@Chuck Entz That's not a reason related to improving Wiktionary per se, though. If anything, your argument is about some admins' and other users' bad faith and priggishness, lol. So you've literally just said that it's their fault that they nit-pick because they're overzealous, and I'm the victim of their behaviour. Try harder, I know you can do it! Just think, think, think. Shumkichi (talk) 14:28, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Inqilābī I will answer here since I can't edit your talk page: of course you can joke, you've misunderstood me if you think I care if others joke about me or my country. But I've got some advice for you: the purpose of a joke is to be funny. Shumkichi (talk) 15:34, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Inqilābī Here are "normal, ordinary" Russians who just want peace and love for you: CLICK. That poor woman, imagine treating a sweet, peacefully protesting babcia like that mob did. Shame on them. Shumkichi (talk) 10:30, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
@Inqilābī It's been 4 months since I wrote that and you still haven't replied. I'm waitiiiing. Shumkichi (talk) 11:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
OK :) ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 00:17, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
@Inqilābī Tell me, how does it feel to be this immoral? In my country, everyone tries to help the Ukrainian refugees the best they can, so do you want me to tell you what they had to go through when the war broke out? Or maybe should I send you some brutal videos so that you will finally shut up? Because rn I'm trying so hard not to insult you, you R*ssian bootlicker.
PS. still American imperialism > R*ssian imperialism. And NATO was mostly right in their military operations :3 I used to dislike America but now I see they are our friends even though they still have significant problems. I'd prefer to be an American "puppet state" (as I've heard some Indians say about Europe) than a Russian or Chinese one like you. It looks like India doesn't deserve independence after all and should be a province of some civilised Western country once again. Don't worry, I would still give you some autonomy, but definitely not full independence as you simply can't govern yourselves. Shumkichi (talk) 08:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
I don’t care much about what political events are occurring in the world, because they are really normal, whether you like them or not. Wars and invasions are a common thing throughout history. Regarding India’s alt history, you needn’t worry because the Subcontinent’s greatest leader Gandhi was loyal to the Britishers until some nationalists like Nehru decided to declare full independence and turned the tide of history (this had bad ultimate consequences, notably the Partition). Whether a country is part of another country is no big issue. The main thing to consider is if there is welfare in the region or not. As the Irish leader James Connoly said, “If you remove the English Army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts will be in vain. England will still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs.
‘civilised Western country’ is an oxymoron. When Gandhi was asked about his thought on ‘western civilisation’, he remarked that it would be a good idea.
Let’s propose more alt histories. Well, divide Ukraine between Poland and Russia. 🇵🇱🇷🇺
By the way, a couple days ago I saw in a YouTube video comment section that a pro-imperialist Polish YouTube user swore their allegiance to the Russian Empire… hehe. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 01:05, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
@Inqilābī what the f00ck does some stupid YouTuber have to do with anything, lol? I've seen more Poles being on the right side of history, so your little anecdote is automatically invalid. And no, war is not normal and Gandhi was a pacifist idiot who would ignore the right of the oppressed side to defend itself. Typical pussy. Yes, Western liberal democracies are the best possible thing ATM, and our colonialism has brought some good things to the world. Unlike the primitive and self-centred Russian or Chinese ones. It's not all black and white as you want it to be, Ukrainians are in the right in the conflict, so shut your mouth, you Russian bootlicker. Don't worry, they don't care about your country or people, Russia and China only want your resources. Anyway, incomprehensible blabber? - must be an Indian.

I'm asking you once again: do you want me to share with you some of the horrible things that the Ukrainians that fled to my country and are staying at ordinary people's homes rn had to go through? I mean, I know you don't care because people from your region generally don't care about ppl from the rest of the world anyway so why am I even talking to you? Imagine being this immoral to claim that wars are normal and we have to accept it as part of the human nature, as if we didn't learn anything from history. Disgusting, gtfo my talk page. Shumkichi (talk) 01:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Last time I’m talking to you about irrelevant matters here on Wiktionary, but you’re just amusing. I agree more with Poles than Russians regarding several issues (such as the evils perpetrated by Stalin), but I'm sure you DON’T represent the mindset of folk of your nation (e.g., no Polish person would describe European colonisation as ‘our colonialism’). Incidentally, sheltering refugees is an altogether different thing which, needless to say, is praiseworthy and need not be politicized, but as I said wars are perfectly normal in this unfree world. You gotta find a permanent way to end all violences on this planet, you can’t just support a people in some proxy war (between two superpowers) who overwhelmingly regard a fascist leader and terrorist as their hero… And yeah, I of course know what ordinary Ukrainian people are going through— no humans deserve this misery but… the Ukrainian war isn’t the first conflict in the history of mankind, so I don’t care about your feelings about immortality.
A pacifist leader isn’t an idiot. Both pacifists and revolutionaries are important for our struggle. Ireland, for example, had both Parnell and Collins. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 02:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Gtfo here with this bullshit. Shumkichi (talk) 02:51, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I dunno why you were so keenly awaiting my reply LOL, even demanding a reply after 4 freaking months. Take care and слава Україні! ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 02:59, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Why paraklet=/=Paraklet ?Edit

@Tashi NAPISZ MI CZY MI WYBACZASZ BO NIE ZASNĘ Shumkichi (talk) 18:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC) @Tashi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Svartava I'm a nonbinary agender demisexual transfeline being. What's YOUR superpower??? 😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒 Shumkichi (talk) 21:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

TymfEdit

WSJP claims tynf is more common Vininn126 (talk) 16:01, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

makes no sense d-_____________-b o_O Shumkichi (talk) 16:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

hermafrodytaEdit

I missed the part about the plant/animal and human thing - I was focused on doing the rest of the femeq's and made it similar to fajtłapa. Vininn126 (talk) 10:05, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

BlockEdit

Hello Shumkichi,

You have been rude and condescending in your edit comments and other contact, and deliberately unhelpful to newbies, insisting on an edit that adds no value and instead makes the wikicode harder to read. I have blocked you for a couple days as a cooling-off period. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 22:10, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

You continue to be abrasive and abusive, and insist on edit warring at vasút in ways that add no value to the entry and instead make the wikicode harder to read.
You follow that up with further abuse sent via email:

Did you srsly just use Google Translator to translate my edit summary and decide to block me? XDDDDD How petty of you. Tell me, what will this block do other than make it harder for me to add valuable edits? I was going to hit 70 k Polish entries today, thank you for ruining my plans just because you feel insulted. Pretty egoistic, huh?

PS. {{C|hu|}} has been the standard template for some time now. Just like in any other language.

I am extending your block, as you supply ample evidence of not being in a productive and collaborative frame of mind. Please get your priorities sorted out in the meantime. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 04:36, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
@Eirikr No, you're doing it because you are vindictive and petty, and you feel insulted. I don't care about any of that - what's more important: your fragile ego or Wiktionary? Oh, and don't use words you don't understand because I happen to be one of the most hardworking and productive editors. But sure, let's just ignore my contributions for the sake of your argument. Pathetic. Shumkichi (talk) 04:42, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
I am not hurt by you. As I've explained before multiple times, I do not view your edits to vasút as constructive. You have done nothing to address the concerns I raised, and instead have simply tried to force your way, even flat-out stating that "i don't care about noobs" in response to my edit comment that shortcut template names are generally user-unfriendly. Given your behavior and comments, I do not view your conduct as helpful to the project, and thus a block is in order to limit the damage. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 04:53, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
@Eirikr Blablabla, jeez, are you always this pretentious? I hope you don't talk like that irl because that would be cringeyyy 🥶🥶🥶
Anyway, who tf cares about "vasut"? I'm talking generally about my contributions and you keep bringing up that one word I already forgot about xd My other contributions (like 99.999999%) are valuable and you're ignoring it on purpose because otherwise, you'd have to admit that your block makes no sense. It's not gonna teach me a lesson or anything and you know it so stop being petty.
Btw. to limit what "damage", lol? You keep using words in a way that makes no sense whatsoever. Just because I'm not nice doesn't mean that I'm not professional when I edit entries. But ok, go cry about my insults somewhere else, boii. And stop pretending you've blocked me to protect others from my supposed "harmful" behaviour as I very rarely edit entries created by others (expect very recent ones) and I don't engage in any other activity here like voting or discussing things with others. Shumkichi (talk) 05:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
@Eirikr Stiiiiill waitiiiing for your comment. Shumkichi (talk) 12:51, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

BlockEdit

Hello Shumkichi,

You have been rude and condescending in your edit comments and other contact, and deliberately unhelpful to newbies, insisting on an edit that adds no value and instead makes the wikicode harder to read. I have blocked you for a couple days as a cooling-off period. Shumkichi (talk) 14:10, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

It may be a game to you, but trolling is disruptive and contributes to a toxic atmosphere. You may see it as a way of provoking people into showing their true colors and exposing their hypocrisy, but at its heart it's all about manipulating others for your entertainment or ego gratification. Please stop it. By all accounts you make a lot of good contributions to the dictionary. It would be a shame to throw that all away by getting yourself blocked permanently. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
@Chuck Entz I'm just bored. Shumkichi (talk) 15:20, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Try another language. What about Old Polish? Thadh (talk) 15:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
@Thadh sounds good, but I'm waiting with Vininn for this fckn Silesian dictionary to finally come out xd But ugh someone would have to create declension templates and all that stuff :( Shumkichi (talk) 15:25, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Why don't you do it? Model it on another language's, might solve your boredom to try something different. Thadh (talk) 16:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
@Thadh no, I'm too lazy for that, and stop being so passive-aggressive, lol. i can see you really want to use some stronger words with me but the problem is that idc Shumkichi (talk) 17:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
I actually wasn't being passive-agressive that one time. Thadh (talk) 17:50, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
@Thadh REEEEEEEEEEE, everybody hates meee because i'm a little different :(((((((((((((( Thankfully, I still have Vininn <3 Shumkichi (talk) 17:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
All things considered, we might be able to lift some of the Polish infrastucture for some of these other less-documented Slavic langauges. I'm not sure about creating declension tables for Old Polish, it might just be better to list out the actual attested forms. Vininn126 (talk) 18:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

tarń i tarkaEdit

Apparently they are related , as Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/tьrnъ claims that Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/terti is related. It is going rather far back, but I mean hey. Vininn126 (talk) 18:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

yeaah, I've added "tarka" uwu Shumkichi (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Derp, saw it wrong. Vininn126 (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
That far-back derivation contradicts the relation though. It is not hard to see the Slavic “blackthorn” name as deverbal by reason that the rosaceous plant is spiny and scratchy as is the idea for the whole family, and it is even easier to deem it a Germanic loanword, if you impute the meaning “thorn” primacy, unless you prefer the reverse, a situation similar to *maltą and and *molto.
An adjective *tr̥nós (sharp, stiff) giving various specific phytonyms is exactly the kind of phantastic stories lacking a common link man disagrees with.
Whatever Proto-Finnic *tarna means, “grass” or ”sedge”, is far away from the idea of a “thorn” in Germanic, while on the other hand it can be a loan from Proto-Indo-Iranian *tŕ̥nam (stalk or blade of grass), like Russian камы́ш (kamýš) is from Turkic, or even the name of the forest itself bears an Indo-European name in Finnic, *meccä, as well as Turkish employing میشه(meşä). Fay Freak (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
@Fay Freak Then find a source and change it if you can, pl*ase (this word is so hard for me to say ;___;). It's not about preference but about facts, your analysis may very well be correct but you should provide some souuurrceeeeaekjrgesalfhalgcfdsjhkmcfasjkdgewkjfhewklfjh!!!11111111111111111111111111111111111 Shumkichi (talk) 19:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

If You Can't Say Something Nice...Edit

Someone once wrote: "It's better to remain silent and be considered a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." This applies to other accusations, too. Your reverted user-page edit is just the kind of thing one would expect from someone who completely deserves to be treated the way you say Fenakhay treated you- Thadh did you a big favor by hiding it. Your protestations about having a heart of gold are going to be ignored if sludge is all anyone sees coming out of your mouth. Chuck Entz (talk) 00:09, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz XDDD Wow, thank you, Mr. Chuck Entz, you've changed me!!!111 I'm 14 and this is deep........,,,,,...,,,,,,////))/)4+38294857849$?_!_8"+&;4828102085+748_8_( Now that you've written this inspirational message, I finally see what I was doing was completely wrong. I have become one with the universe...........,,,,,,,
PS Haha, no, YOLO and essa. And stop being a boomer and acting all important over a little trolling on the fckng Internet, jeez, take a chill pill, this is not the real life. You can call me a fool but my IQ is still around 130-140, so it sounds like someone has an inferiority complex and it's not me. Stay maaaad 🤤🤤🤤👍👍👍
PPS Oh, and just because I'm not a nice person and my behaviour is unacceptable (at least according to you, my friends would say otherwise), that's not a reason to treat me unfairly, the way that desert-man did. He's an admin so he has to treat everyone with equal respect, no matter if it's reciprocated or not. If an admin is so emotional and childish like him, I would consider giving adminship to me instead, I'm suuure everyone would love that idea. Shumkichi (talk) 11:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Btw., I was at a wedding yesterday and it was super fun, I danced all 2 days and spent time with nice people. It was really touching to see the way the bride looked at the groom ;_; When I marry Vininn, the admins will not be invited (except for BigDom, PUC, Thadh, Fytcha, Surjection, and probably someone else who I don't remember). How was your weekend, boring as always? At least don't spoil the mood for me with your righteous indignation and wisecracks. Shumkichi (talk) 11:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Freedom. of. Speech. God. Damn. It. Also, the phrase "sludge is all anyone sees coming out of your mouth" can't be considered "something nice". --Geographyinitiative (talk) 11:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

@Geographyinitiative: I think that wording justified on this particular occasion. And freedom of speech doesn't mean it's fine to go around trolling trying to troll anyone around just because you've had one too many. Thadh (talk) 11:55, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
@Thadh Blablabla, listen to this beautiful song ;_; Btw., I recommend his channel, it's full of great nationalist songs like this one. Shumkichi (talk) 12:04, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
  • This talk page is shite. I’ll support Shumkichi’s future sysop vote. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 02:55, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
@Inqilābī Ní cuimhin liom do thuairim a iarraidh. Shumkichi (talk) 16:20, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Fajne filmory na jutjubie jebanym pjerdolooonym ;))Edit