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Wiktionary:Votes/sy-2023-11/User:Ioaxxere for admin

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User:Ioaxxere for admin edit

Nomination: I hereby nominate Ioaxxere (talk • contribs) as a local English Wiktionary Administrator.

Schedule:

Acceptance: Ioaxxere (talk) 15:30, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support edit

  1.   Support This user has created numerous interesting and useful modern slang entries and has generally done a good job of closing requests - such good housekeeping is vital to declutter the community pages. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 10:10, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2.   Support I like Template:R:Urban Dictionary (only a bona fide descriptivist would make this) and other work. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 12:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3.   Support, since no substantial arguments against have been presented. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 19:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4.   Support कालमैत्री (talk) 16:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5.   Support as a symbolic gesture. lattermint (talk) 01:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  6.   Support — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 03:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  7.   Support — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 19:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  8.   Support, although I do not trust the nominator. —Fish bowl (talk) 22:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  9.   Support Good work. Svartava (talk) 07:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Support Denazz (talk) 23:18, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Vote stricken. First edit for this account is on December 2, 2023, which violates WT:Voting policy. (Stick to one account!) AG202 (talk) 00:35, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ooh, dammit! I chose the wrong account to vote with! My bad. Denazz (talk) 00:50, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose edit

  1.   Oppose. For similar reasons in Wiktionary:Votes/sy-2023-02/User:Ioaxxere for admin. I don't feel that much has really changed since then. Some past interactions, especially over Discord, also concern me. The nominator has also only been here for less than a year. AG202 (talk) 18:39, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @AG202 My first edit was over 16 months ago... Ioaxxere (talk) 16:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ioaxxere? I know. I said the nominator (कालमैत्री) has only been here for less than a year. Please read what I say carefully. AG202 (talk) 17:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, you're right. Ioaxxere (talk) 17:19, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @AG202 Sure i am really lacking in many regards. But this argument is without any connection to why nominee should be supported or not. An unneeded remark, so to speak. कालमैत्री (talk) 14:50, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @कालमैत्री: The nominator definitely matters as well as seen by comments on the last vote. A nominator who hasn't even been here since the last vote for Ioaxxere to be admin started shows to me that they haven't been here long enough to really know how the project works. What even is the rationale? What has changed since the last admin vote? Why should they specifically be given admin rights? An active user who makes good edits and templates does not automatically make an admin. That's part of why I myself rejected a nomination last year.
    We tend to hand admin rights to just any active editor and that leads to some of the issues that we've had recently. And then, after one has become an admin, it becomes much harder to actually take any action against them if something goes wrong (ex: an admin making homophobic and racist comments, nothing came out of it). Thus, I've become much more cautious about admin votes, and I believe that others should be as well. AG202 (talk) 15:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @AG202, I would like to ask (with no connection to my planned vote), if user activity isn't primary, then what is? --GareginRA (talk) 02:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You need to check for something like this Word0151 (talk) 04:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That admin pretty much monopolized the Armenian part of the website and doesn't let commits that go against their own style and preferences. I have raised that issue here and here. This is why I don't commit on Armenian entries any longer even though that is my native tongue and I am an active editor on hy.wiktionary.org[1]. Getting back to the topic, I don't think such "critique" is of any value. But yeah, I'm biased. --GareginRA (talk) 16:02, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    In what sense? Nominating or becoming an admin? AG202 (talk) 17:01, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Becoming an admin. What other characteristics should I consider before I vote for or against someone? --GareginRA (talk) 17:09, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @GareginRA, well I won't tell you what you should or shouldn't consider, but my own criteria mainly focus around:
    • Why do they need admin tools? — Are they rollbacking edits? Are they maintaining large codesets/templates? Do they actually need the admin role vs "template editor" or something similar?
    • Have they been here long enough to understand the project?
    • How do they interact with other users? How do they handle situations of conflict? If a user negatively interacts with others, then I wouldn't want them to be in a position of power.
    • If they've been nominated before, what's changed since then?
    Those have fluctuated with me over time, but I definitely align with them more so now after recent events with administrators, since it's much harder to remove someone than it is to elect someone. AG202 (talk) 22:12, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2.   Oppose I find AG202's reasoning persuasive. Like the last time I voted, I don't rule out a support vote in the future, but I'm not there right now. Megathonic (talk) 02:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3.   Oppose Wiktionary:Votes/2023-07/Unblocking Wonderfool. -- Huhu9001 (talk) 02:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4.   Oppose I see no reason they would need admin tools. --{{victar|talk}} 07:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5.   Oppose Inexperienced nominator. --GareginRA (talk) 02:58, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  6.   Oppose: Some users (like me) are never destined to be admins. DonnanZ (talk) 13:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    One day you shall, Don! Denazz (talk) 00:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Being an admin is overrated. --{{victar|talk}} 01:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I will be 76 next week. Too late. DonnanZ (talk) 17:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Would you like a vote for you? Word0151 (talk) 17:06, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    No thanks, not any more. DonnanZ (talk) 17:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Life is fleeting. There is nothing wrong in trying one more time. Word0151 (talk) 17:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Hey Don, I would vote for you despite that nude pic you have on your user page. In case somebody wants to nominate and you want to accept. /Verdi Bortkastningskonto (talk) 00:38, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, but I wouldn't accept any nomination. DonnanZ (talk) 12:17, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  7.   Oppose: not much can be said when the nominee was explicitly asking for support votes on WT:Discord (link):
     

    Wiktionary:Votes/sy-2023-11/User:Ioaxxere for admin only need 4 more supports

     
    – wpi (talk) 15:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    :-/ yikes. AG202 (talk) 16:06, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    We should really have something like WP:Canvassing as a policy. AG202 (talk) 16:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  8.   Oppose as per Wpi. CitationsFreak (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  9.   Oppose: I have no negative opinions of Ioaxxere — indeed, having had no dealings with him/her, I have no opinion of Ioaxxere of any kind — however, given the evidence of canvassing presented by wpi, I feel the need to oppose this nomination because of the procedural foul play involved. 0DF (talk) 17:19, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  10.   Oppose: On the principle that someone who actively wants the powers of an admin should probably not be given them. --RichardW57 (talk) 10:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I won't vote oppose, but agreed. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 19:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Changing my vote to   Oppose per Wpi. Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes 23:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abstain edit

  1.   Abstain @Ioaxxere What will you do once you become admin? — This unsigned comment was added by Kiril kovachev (talk • contribs) at 19:01, 8 December 2023 (UTC).[reply]
    @Kiril kovachev I would probably be doing the same stuff I am now, but it would be convenient to be able to delete pages and protect pages (a few of my entries have been vandalized a lot). BTW, I don't get a notification unless you use {{ping}}. Ioaxxere (talk) 21:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ioaxxere How does that work? I thought you can just @ people by typing in their username and linking to their page.
    Thanks for explaining your rationale. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 22:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kiril kovachev: You need to sign your reply for the ping to work. — Fenakhay (حيطي · مساهماتي) 23:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Fenakhay Ah, okay, I realize now I forgot to sign it originally. I forgot I wasn't using the reply interface so it wouldn't append it for me. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 01:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2.   Abstain — Fenakhay (حيطي · مساهماتي) 14:01, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Decision edit

10-11-2 vote fails Denazz (talk) 00:32, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

9-11-2 to be exact. AG202 (talk) 00:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Without blowing the lid right off, it would appear the same person voted twice. But the vote would have failed anyway. DonnanZ (talk) 11:53, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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