Talk:սքանչելի
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Vahagn Petrosyan
@Vahagn Petrosyan how about deaspiration here? If yes, it may be easier to just change the hy pron entry here rather than add a rule to the hy pronunciation code to change sk^h to sk as long as k^h isn’t final Hovsepig (talk) 17:25, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Hovsepig: it is certainly [skʰ] for me. No deaspiration. Vahag (talk) 17:37, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Hovsepig: your Western Armenian and American ear is not well-attuned to distinguish between [k] and [kʰ]. English sk- too is said to be deaspirated [sk] but I know that it still is [skʰ]. Sakapetoyan has [-skʰ-] in this word. Can you record and upload your pronunciation? If you use https://lingualibre.org/wiki/LinguaLibre:Main_Page and upload the file to Wikimedia Commons, we can even use the audio here on Wiktionary. Vahag (talk) 17:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oh yes those two sounds are just the same phoneme in WA. I've been recording myself this whole time using a software called Praat (it's pretty and easy to use, and lets you see your voicing and aspiration on a sound wave, try it it's fun)
- I put up a folder of սկիզբ սքանչելի recordings here https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19W7WlBBp5Br3flrac8FaLk4Jiydkj--G?usp=sharing if you prefer another file extension, I can change them.
- Also sadly you should know that Sakapetoyan does not seem to be a reliable source on WA pronunciation. A lot of his entries include a phonemic trill ռ which is impossible, and he tends to include aspiration if the EA version has aspiration: compare his entries for սկիզբ եւ սքանչելի. Also sadly he tends to adopt EA passivization rules, like WA adds a schwa in a CC-վել contexts (like both in առնըվիլ եւ երգըվիլ) but he doesn't follow that. and he sometimes forgets schwas here and then
- Sigh, this is now just me ranting. It's hard being a WA linguist where there's barely nothing useful outside of your wiktionary entries Hovsepig (talk) 17:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oh can I hear a recording of you doing սկիզբ եւ սքանչելի? It would be fun for me to see your aspiration levels :D Hovsepig (talk) 18:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- You do pronounce it without aspiration. Now I think I have heard that pronunciation in other Western Armenians. I just uploaded my pronunciations. Vahag (talk) 19:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oh can I hear a recording of you doing սկիզբ եւ սքանչելի? It would be fun for me to see your aspiration levels :D Hovsepig (talk) 18:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)