Talk:Iran
Latest comment: 15 years ago by Ferike333 in topic Pronunciation
If Catalan and Italian apparently need the article in front of them, then why don't we add it to French too? (I'm not convinced that the article is needed though)
- Catalan uses the article in front of some countries, but it doesn't use it in enumerations, e.g. "Canada, China and India are big countries". Hiezi 14:57, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- Maybe it's something that would be more suited to be added as a usage note to an article dedicated to the Catalan version of the word. (Coincidentally it shares the page)Polyglot 15:13, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Pronunciation
editWhat's the pronunciation of the English word? I'm afraid it has several ones, but I'm unsure whether they are correct. I'll give the approximate ones as I think to know them. /ɪrɑːn/ (Br), /aɪræn/, /aɪrɛn/ or /aɪrən/(?) (US). Please correct me if I'm wrong. Ferike333 18:13, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- American English can be either /ɪˈɻɑːn/ or /aɪˈɻæːn/. /ɪˈɻɑːn/ is more formal and, nowadays, more common. —Stephen 15:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- Added. The same happenes to Iraq/Irak, too? Ferike333 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- I see, it does. Ferike333 15:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- Added. The same happenes to Iraq/Irak, too? Ferike333 15:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- But note that US IPA should not include vowel length markers, as vowel length is not phonemic in the US. --EncycloPetey 16:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- Pardon me, I don't understand what you mean under 'vowel length is not phonemic'. Could you please explain me. First, I absolutely don't want to say I don't believe you, I just know nothing about this stuff, yet. Not even heard. Ferike333 11:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- The length of vowels never distinguishes between similar-sounding words. Americans don't "hear" the difference between ɑ and ɑː, and this is true for each vowel sound. So, we generally don't indicate vowel length for US IPA transcriptions. --EncycloPetey 16:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- So there would be no difference between the phonemic transcriptions of I ran [aɪˈɹæn] and Iran [aɪˈɹæːn] ? --Ivan Štambuk 16:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, thank you. Sounds interesting. As I see, not I'm the first who didn't know this. :) I will remember. As far as I understand what EncycloPetey wrote, there is no difference. Ferike333 18:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- So there would be no difference between the phonemic transcriptions of I ran [aɪˈɹæn] and Iran [aɪˈɹæːn] ? --Ivan Štambuk 16:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- The length of vowels never distinguishes between similar-sounding words. Americans don't "hear" the difference between ɑ and ɑː, and this is true for each vowel sound. So, we generally don't indicate vowel length for US IPA transcriptions. --EncycloPetey 16:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)