Talk:Wikizionariu

RFV discussion: December 2022–January 2023

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Wikizionariu

Sicilian. Protologism. Catonif (talk) 20:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Delete it's plain as day that they use Wikizziunariu now, even if they may have once spelled it the other way. —Soap— 20:59, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

While that logic lies behind @Soap's view, keep. If it is now obsolete, but was used outside Wikimedia for more than a year, and we that fact can be established, then it's a valid entry, albeit an obsolete, alternative form. --RichardW57 (talk) 21:15, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

We need to delete Wikizziunariu too. Neither spelling are attestable in Sicilian outside of WMF. Catonif (talk) 21:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Keep Wiktionary is just as valid a source for neologisms as 4chan or any online community. --Skiulinamo (talk) 04:25, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Move to WT:RFVN as that's the proper place.

Wiktionary as well as other Wikimedia cites aren't accepted, cp. WT:ATTEST: "We do not quote other Wikimedia sites". 4chan isn't acceped too (Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2022/October#Imageboards (4chan, 7chan + minor/foreign "-chan's") is still open, but it's not durably archived and it's very easy to spam it with protologism).

— This unsigned comment was added by 2003:DE:372E:DAC2:49F3:92CC:3654:BCD2 (talk). --09:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

That's true, moved. Catonif (talk) 22:27, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Category:English 4chan slang. Also see: [1] --Skiulinamo (talk) 22:44, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

That article is in Italian, not Sicilian. It's not a quotation of use. Even though Sicilian is an LDL, I'm not sure this really cuts it. 98.170.164.88 23:09, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, it's in quotes, lowercase, meaning "scn.wikt" and not just "Wiktionary", in an Italian text. Moreover it's just the name of a site: I understand why we have things like Facebook and Wikipedia, but I'm pretty sure I can find three quotes mentioning the existence of pretty much every obscure site, but at some point things start getting encyclopedic (and at another point, not even Wikipedia worthy. Google is where you'd look them up). I would also like to remind that this is Sicilian: we can barely attest words like "cheese". Catonif (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Can this be closed as failed? Catonif (talk) 22:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

I think so. 98.170.164.88 22:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

RFV failed, deleted. Vininn126 (talk) 15:21, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Vininn126 This was a premature delete. Two votes to keep, one to delete. --Skiulinamo (talk) 17:42, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Skiulinamo That was for the RFD which it was moved from. As an RFV it failed. Catonif (talk) 17:50, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Skiulinamo This is RFV not RFD, and no, other wiktionaries do not count for CFI. Vininn126 (talk) 17:52, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Vininn126 It's attested in at least one online newspaper. See above. --Skiulinamo (talk) 18:08, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Skiulinamo To recap, you're presenting a mention in another language as evidence for the existence of another word and voting to keep it in a forum where we don't vote? Cut it out. This isn't premature, you're just making a scene. The article you're referring to is clearly problematic and you never addressed these problems. Vininn126 (talk) 18:14, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Vininn126: Why are you mudslinging? As an LDL, the bar for inclusion is much lower, but this isn't just an article in Italian, it's an article in Italian about Sicilian with a clear Sicilian word. It's a valid attestation, more than one can say for many other Sicilian words. --Skiulinamo (talk) 18:26, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Skiulinamo: I'm well aware of that. And just by saying "no it does count" does not actually count as a counterargument to the points raised above. Vininn126 (talk) 18:28, 31 January 2023 (UTC)