Talk:fundament

Anus

I don't believe the word fundament refers specificly to the anus. Any citation on that? All the usage I've ever seen would be more in line with buttocks than anus. The sense is of a broad base, a foundation, with the sense of sitting always implied, not an orfice, and nothing to do with excretion, which is the sense of anus. Ragityman 09:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• From the OED (online) - The lower part of the body, on which one sits; the buttocks; also, the orifice of the intestines, the anus. In birds, the vent. SemperBlotto 09:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I removed "rfv-sense" tag on the anus definition, as it seems well supported by quotes. It would be good to know if this usage is uncommon or archaic. -- Thinking of England 05:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

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fundament

I'm rfving the sense "anus". Talk:fundament has another user questioning this sense. User:SemperBlotto responded by quoting the OED, but I'd like to see some citations. If it can be cited, is this really an integral part of the "The part of the body upon which one sits" sense, or do context and usage provide a clear distinction?--Prosfilaes 11:20, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

• Google books "up the fundament". Fugyoo 11:47, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
• OK cited I think. I'm not sure whether the sense of "anus" or "buttocks" is more fundamental (as it were) but if there are separate senses at (deprecated template usage) ass there should probably be separate senses here. Fugyoo 17:44, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
• This should be merged with the ‘buttocks’ sense; they're not really distinct. Ƿidsiþ 06:50, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
• Keep separate senses, per Fugyoo, and for the same reason butt distinguishes between buttocks and "the whole buttocks and pelvic region that includes one's private parts". Citations speak for themselves and I hardly see buttocks instead of fundament in those sentences (I'm not a native English speaker, though). If you finally chose to merge the senses, at least cite the different meanings: buttocks and anus. — Xavier, 15:58, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
• I think it should be kept separate. For one, looking at the citations, up the fundament is primarily archaic; searching on post 1950 for "up the fundament" got me primarily a bunch of reprints of older books. (Searching for just kick fundmament got a few reprints itself, but more from the 1930s instead of 1730s.) I did add a 2008 erotica citation.--Prosfilaes 00:17, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Passed as a distinct sense. :) - -sche (discuss) 07:17, 1 March 2012 (UTC)