Talk:ministry of education

SOP?

How is this not SOP? 98.170.164.88 19:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

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ministry of education

SOP. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 11:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Keep as a translation hub. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 14:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@Inqilābī: Can you try to provide two qualifying translations then? I would be surprised if this is THUBable. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 16:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@Inqilābī: The Bengali translation that you've added doesn't seem to qualify, seeing that it is শিক্ষা + মন্ত্রক. Neither does the Icelandic one: menntamál + ráðuneyti — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 14:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

To my native ear, it is a valid compound word. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 08:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Inqilābī: I don't see how that is relevant here. Even if it's a valid compound (I don't doubt that), it does not qualify per WT:THUB. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 12:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for showing me that page. And I had misunderstood you. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 16:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Keep I usually treat it as a name: Translating Bildungsministerium into English depends on the specific government/country (and time). Is it Department of Education (e. g. US) or Ministry of Education (e. g. Singapore)? You could ask the same question in the reverse direction. Therefore it’s difficult/problematic to make this entry serve as a WT:THUB.

On the other hand it’s the lower-case version we’re talking about, i. e. not a name. I think ministry/department of (without education) has a certain idiomaticity to it. Although saying book department is legal, department of books makes it “obvious” we’re talking about a government entity (or similar) and not a section in a department store. However, I’m afraid an entry ministry of would not meet WT’s policies. I therefore vote to keep this entry. To be fair, all this aforementioned information could be rendered as a Usage Notes section in ministry [some {{usex}} are already there]. ‑‑Kai Burghardt (talk) 22:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Delete as SoP. — Sgconlaw (talk) 15:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Keep as t-hub. I see at least three one-word translations there. AG202 (talk) 15:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@AG202: One-wordness is irrelevant. The Finnish and Swedish translations don't qualify per WT:THUB. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 16:05, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

You're right, I'll abstain here then. AG202 (talk) 16:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• Czech ministerstvo školství is interesting since it could also have been ministerstvo vzdělání but it is the former that is most customary, the latter having a tiny fraction of the former's frequency. Does any other language have anything like that? google:"ministerstvo školství", google:"ministerstvo vzdělání". --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:44, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Delete as SoP. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 23:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

• Err on the side of keeping. The Czech translation is interesting. diff shows a correction of a Bengali translation, showing that the translation may be not an entirely obvious thing. I would bet that more interesting translations can be found. As for utility via page views, this performs much better than noncholestatic.[1] If this gets deleted, the translator can use Wikidata:Q2269756: ministry of education, where the translations are not traceable to anything; here we have a chance to attest them. Also, from Wikidata, this will connect at least 8 terms of languages that form long solid compounds; this is not approved for THUB and is not so strong, but is not entirely without force. --Dan Polansky (talk) 08:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

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