Talk:paranœa

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Almost all hits are mentions. DCDuring TALK 21:57, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

• It should be "obsolete" not "archaic", but apart from that I think it's OK. Actually according to the OED this is the first recorded spelling of (deprecated template usage) paranoia. Ƿidsiþ 12:59, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

¶ Could you please forgive me if this sounds meagre? I have never defended my work (since I started the entry) like this before. I am not sure if you are saying that dictionary mentions are inappropriate, but surely two of these authors are important, no? ¶ Words from Greek often had the digraph οι replaced with the ligature œ; “παράνοια” has the combination of οι, thus the transliteration was written as “paranœa”. Here are some more examples of the word “paranœa”:

Firstly: William Whitney: The Century dictionary and cyclopedia Secondly: Henry Eugène de Méric: Dictionary of medical terms (French) Lastly: Robley Dunglison: Medical Lexicon

¶ Would this suffice, sir?  75.142.190.21 13:41, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

No, because they're all mentions, not uses. --Mglovesfun (talk) 13:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

(See Use-mention distinction. Ƿidsiþ 13:49, 22 March 2011 (UTC))

¶ Noted. Please pardon my ignorance.  75.142.190.21 20:15, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Regarding "Actually according to the OED this is the first recorded spelling of (deprecated template usage) paranoia" any chance we can keep this in good faith? --Mglovesfun (talk) 13:51, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the first citation in the 3ʳᵈ ed. OED's draft revision for paranoia is a 1749 one of paranoea, the next is from 1789 and is of paranoiæ, and the third and fourth are from 1811 and 1842 (respectively) and are both of (deprecated template usage) paranœa; however, both its citations of (deprecated template usage) paranœa are from dictionaries. Pace the OED, I have nevertheless quint-cited it; of those five, these three are unambiguous uses. — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 17:04, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Cites look good. Seems to warrant a {{rare}}, though not as rare as all of our mostly untagged hapax legomena from well-known works. DCDuring TALK 17:20, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the {{rare}} tag myself, on the grounds that it's much more common than many of our untagged rarities (as you said); nevertheless, I'll leave that judgment to you. I agree with Ƿidsiþ that this should be marked obsolete, rather than archaic; my reason is that, as the NED [1ˢᵗ ed., 1909] entry shows, (deprecated template usage) paranœa would be pronounced /ˌpæɹəˈniːə/, whereas everyone pronounces (deprecated template usage) paranoia as /ˌpæɹəˈnɔɪə/; therefore, (deprecated template usage) paranœa has been obsoleted by the change in pronunciation. — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 18:11, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

¶ May I please have permission to remove the { {rfv}} tag? --Pilcrow 18:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

• RFV passed. Per comments above, I've tagged this as obsolete. —Ruakh_TALK 19:16, 3 April 2011 (UTC)