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- Note: the title of this section was previously quinine - poker slang senses.
I know that these have been referenced but I could do the same for everything that appears in the Viz Profanosaurus and most of them (as funny as they are) would not meet our CFI.--Williamsayers79 08:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
- I take it that this work you reference is meant to be comedic and inventive. The book I cite, The Dictionary of Poker is a serious attempt to record the usage of slang terms in poker. As I'm sure you are aware, attestation of slang (especially slang which precedes the internet) may be difficult to come by. I would be happy to look for further evidence of it's usage if someone might suggest where to look. --Kzollman 02:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- At least one of these senses is also mentioned by no less than H.L. Mencken ... but it is still a mention, unfortunately, not a use (in this case he mentioned it in passing while explaining the etymology of "medicine turn," which does not seem to meet CFI either). I can't find anything on Gbooks that looks like an actual use of the term -- which is striking; after all, there are plenty of slang-filled descriptions of poker games out there. Perhaps someone with access to the appropriate period sources can turn up the necessary citations... but without them, this will fail CFI, regardless of whether other reference works have found it worthy of inclusion. -- Visviva 06:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- It's unlikely to occur in a book. Queen nine is a bad and generally unremarkable hand in Texas hold'em, similarly for a 9 in lowball. This hand is unlikely to be talked about in a book, much less using this particular slang.
If the dictionary of poker is insufficient attestation, I'm afraid it will have to be deleted.--Kzollman 19:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC) - I found three other sources. One usenet posting apparently from a reasonably well known poker author Lee Jones. One on another well known poker forum two plus two. And last, an article in Card player magazine by the author of the dictionary. --Kzollman 19:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- It's unlikely to occur in a book. Queen nine is a bad and generally unremarkable hand in Texas hold'em, similarly for a 9 in lowball. This hand is unlikely to be talked about in a book, much less using this particular slang.
- At least one of these senses is also mentioned by no less than H.L. Mencken ... but it is still a mention, unfortunately, not a use (in this case he mentioned it in passing while explaining the etymology of "medicine turn," which does not seem to meet CFI either). I can't find anything on Gbooks that looks like an actual use of the term -- which is striking; after all, there are plenty of slang-filled descriptions of poker games out there. Perhaps someone with access to the appropriate period sources can turn up the necessary citations... but without them, this will fail CFI, regardless of whether other reference works have found it worthy of inclusion. -- Visviva 06:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
RFV failed, senses removed: I haven't seen a single use, only mentions. —RuakhTALK 01:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC)