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I was talking to one, and noticed that a lot of the words used by American hoboes (by which I mean the traditional kind who engaged in freight hopping - should that have an entry?) are missing here. Just a good source of vocabulary if you're interested. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:49, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree, but do you know any good written sources? Equinox 00:05, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
google books:gondola hobo turns up quite a few books. (I chose gondola more or less at random as one of the words hoboes use, though the appropriate context label is rail transportation in this case.) —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:18, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

fight it outEdit

Should we move it to fight out? --Barytonesis (talk) 20:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I think this is a fixed phrase. I'm not sure that you can "fight out" something specifically named. Equinox 20:45, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Indeed. But I also see this on Google books: fight out the decision, fight the thing out, fight this thing out, fight out this thing. I'm aware that the last three sentences are more or less equivalent with "fight it out" though. --Barytonesis (talk) 21:23, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


We seem to be entering an edit war over Skite. The word is used in New Zealand only in the sense of boasting/boaster. I'm not a youngster having fun over this. I'm nearly 70 yrs old, have lived in NZ my entire life, and have NEVER heard the word being used in any other sense. This matter came to my attention because an editor is citing the Skite article in an attempt to add the other meanings to "skite" in the New Zealand English article. It's possible that skite is used in Australia in the other senses ascribed to it, but I don't know about that. What I do know is that Australians tend to regard New Zealand as one of their possessions and there seems to be an ongoing battle by Australians at the NZ English article to remove differences and make NZE the same as Australian English.

There is no reference citing the alleged NZ usages of Skite, only what appear to be British references probably added by a Briton who may have assumed that all Commonwealth people talk the same. They don't. The "Skite" article is obscure, and it looks like there has never been any oversight by New Zealanders, otherwise I'm sure they would have disputed the alleged meanings. Akld guy (talk) 00:35, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


You can have a single ground (speck) of coffee (a single piece of coffee-ground [[1]]) Leasnam (talk) 00:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I see. It needs a singular sense at ground then. Equinox 16:06, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

European in white nationalismEdit

I put the word European in parantheses after White to modify it because White Nationalists usually won't accept Jews and Arabs as coethnics but Jews and Arabs are sometimes although not usually, viewed as whites so I thought it needed to be clarified it's a solely European movement not one that includes non European whites.Leucostictes (talk) 23:24, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the summary of the Wikipedia article, it just seems to talk about white people, nothing more complex. Equinox 23:45, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
"Most white nationalists define white people in a restricted way. In the United States, it often—though not exclusively—implies European ancestry of non-Jewish descent; one example is the U.S. National Socialist Movement, which stipulates that "Party Membership is open to non-Semitic heterosexuals of European descent"." So I think saying European specifically might be better because for example Jews are sometimes, although not usually, viewed as Whites, so its more specific to say its pan-European nationalism. Leucostictes (talk) 01:19, 21 August 2017 (UTC)


"nonce word", maybe...but you know how I came across this word ? I heard it on the radio last night driving home, and I always have an ear out for new words ;) Leasnam (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Honestly I think you have a bit of a history of adding words that could theoretically be words but in practice aren't really, and then supporting them with dubious citations that are either scannos or clear errors (the most recent one I saw was something like "netherless" for "nevertheless"). I don't think you're operating in bad faith or whatever, but having spent a crazy amount of time on here and visited most English entries, and Google-checked a lot of them, my default position on Leasnam entries is now pretty sceptical. Equinox 02:50, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

OS grid refsEdit

I have added quite a few of these to various entries. Maybe Cupar isn't too difficult to find on a map, but I think they are useful for smaller places that are more difficult to find (this is where my OS map collection comes in useful). DonnanZ (talk) 08:44, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

It's that line between "what's useful" and "what belongs in Wiktionary". It's very useful to know that chocolate is poisonous to dogs (it could save lives) but it isn't appropriate to mention that at dog. At some point you have to offload stuff to Wikipedia, Wikitravel, and whatever else we link to. Geodata like countries and cities is an interesting one because I think we're experimentally doing some of the "semantic" data stuff with those (look at any country's entry, and see some ID stuff embedded in there): unfortunately I don't know too much about the mechanisms behind it. Equinox 08:48, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
I think they can be useful without going into any more detail, e.g. the town has three pubs, three churches and three schools - that's Wikipedia material. Wikipedia more often than not lists grid refs in their articles, but some of those I have found to be wildly inaccurate. They can also be found online from Ordnance Survey themselves, but you have to do a bit of digging. DonnanZ (talk) 09:16, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Okay, well, I'm not systematically removing this stuff, and it seems fairly clear that there will come a day when we link the various wikis together, and every city will be somehow tied to its geolocation! Equinox 02:52, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

double penetrationEdit

Hi Equinox - I was in the middle of editing that def. The current wording doesn't really explain the sexual nature of the act. Could you give me a chance to improve it? Or could you have a go at it? - Pisanus Fraxi (talk) 02:28, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

I reverted mainly because you broke the grammar ("the penises two other people"). I could have stuck the word "of" in there to fix it, but we have a lot of sex maniacs who insist on editing sexy entries without really improving them. Please try it again, if you think there is something to add. Equinox 02:45, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Add category to Template:ellipsis ofEdit

Can you please add the category for lingual ellipses into this template?--TNMPChannel (talk) 07:22, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand. Equinox 09:50, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I'd say he wants automatic categorisation into the subcategories of Category:Ellipses by language, like it works for {{clipping}}, etc. --Barytonesis (talk) 09:55, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Okay. I have zero experience with creating templates. Equinox 10:01, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Category:Clippings by language has no such subcategories. Also, I have a degree in linguistics and I have no idea what they mean by "lingual ellipses". @TNMPChannel May I suggest that you click "Show preview" until you get things right, then click "Publish changes" after you've fixed things? Some of us browse through the edits in chronological order, and it's annoying having to click through your trying three different ways of doing it wrong before you figure out how to do it right. I certainly don't always get it right the first time, myself, but I almost always fix it before I "publish", so no one else sees it. Chuck Entz (talk) 18:28, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
@Chuck Entz: I don't get what you're saying with "Category:Clippings by language has no such subcategories". What I meant is this: writing {{clipping of|lang=fr}} automatically categorizes a term into Category:French clippings, a subcategory of Category:Clippings by language, and TNMP probably wants (but this is just a guess) {{ellipsis of|lang=fr}} to do the same, i. e. automatically categorise a term into Category:French ellipses. I'm not suggesting clippings and ellipses have anything to do with one another. And I've no idea what "lingual ellipses" means either; "lingual" = "linguistic"? --Barytonesis (talk) 16:37, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
@Barytonesis. What I was getting at is irrelevant, because I misread your comment. I was going to go into a discussion of the kind of categorization definition-line templates are supposed to do, but it would seem this is yet another case of this user creating something they don't understand and then asking someone else to fix it. <sigh> Chuck Entz (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
@Chuck Entz: no worries; actually, as I'm confusing {{clipping}} (etymology) and {{clipping of}} (definition-line), what I think you were getting at isn't unwarranted. And I'm also guilty of creating sloppy templates and asking others to clean up after me so... --Barytonesis (talk) 17:55, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Recent contributions by User:

Hi Equinox! I saw that you deleted a couple of protologisms from this anon and I'm wondering if it's appropriate to nuke their contributions? See why here. --Robbie SWE (talk) 19:09, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Probably best when it's the same person returning and doing the same stuff. Equinox 19:59, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
I see. I was anxious because they added a lot of entries which might be SoP (e.g. apricot tree, willow tree, elm tree, etc.). Still think they should be deleted, but I'll let the others chime in. Thanks for the cites by the way – I can't wrap my head around how you found them, but they're great. --Robbie SWE (talk) 20:04, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
You have to put the single word in quotes, so "plasticless" instead of plasticless. Unfortunately, Google's "verbatim" feature (a.k.a. find what I typed, and not some other clickbait rubbish) is only available when you are signed in. Equinox 20:06, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


Best not to waste your time on this. There's a plot afoot to modify how it works and remove the text, and people have been doing exactly the opposite by means of AWB. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)


I know that this will likely come across as strange or suspicious, but I’d like to apologize for the many instances of hostile and high schoolish misbehaviour through which I’ve put you. The examples that come to mind are calling you things like ‘geek’ or ‘nerd’, making fun of your username, poisoning the well by needlessly mentioning your alcoholism, and telling you that ‘if you can’t take a joke, don’t even think about it’, which was very hypocritical coming from somebody like me. (I also exploded at least once at you, but it was more like a rant about the general community.) As I’ve said, I understand if this looks weird given our long history of conflicts, but I recently had some spare time to think more about these things, and coupled with a conversation that I had with a Latin friend (who wondered why I’d alert him about white supremacist activity even though we had a nasty quarrel months ago), it made me mind that I’d rather be an arsehole with principles than one who’d gladly hit below the belt. — (((Romanophile))) (contributions) 01:39, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Verify fair exchange is no robbery, a turning wheel gathers no rust and a loaded wagon makes no noiseEdit

Verify if there are any sources available.--TNMPChannel (talk) 09:53, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


May I draw your attention to the recent revision history for this article? No one in IRC. - Amgine/ t·e 23:20, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

(@TheDaveRoss as well) IRC is rarely a good place to go first. Try VIP or an admin who's currently active instead. Anyway, I've protected the page. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:31, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Metaknowledge; saw that. - Amgine/ t·e 23:32, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
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