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Ditto re revolving door syndromeEdit

Hello Equinox -- I just noticed that you recently changed the POS for revolving door syndrome to "Proper noun" (and I see, above, that you've already got another challenge regarding this sort of change). I've always had the highest regard for your judgment and can probably imagine why you're inclined to think it's a proper noun, but, alas, I'm not so inclined. A major criterion I've long had in mind is that a proper noun should have a unique referent. But revolving door syndrome names a whole class of qualifying situations. Heck, Eq, the term even has 3 distinct senses, all supported by citations. Nothing unique about this big bundle quivering with potential referents. Old EncycloPetey has a subpage on the issue of what qualifies as a proper noun here: User:EncycloPetey/English_proper_nouns. What do you think? Any chance you've wandered a bit off the reservation with your POS-ing? -- · (talk) 06:00, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

We've had this conversation before. I was unable to convince Eq. of the error of his ways and just gave up. Perhaps you will have more success. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:45, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
How would you prefer to classify "X syndrome" and "Y disease" entries? Where there isn't an attestable plural, they are often entered as "uncountable" ({{en-noun|-}}), but that doesn't seem right because the count-mass distinction is that between (say) "three loaves, one bottle" and "some bread, a little milk". It's a syndrome, a disease, so in theory countable (syndromes, diseases) — but it's one particular thing, like "the Eiffel Tower" (towers). Haven't read Petey's page yet but I will take a proper look at it another day. Equinox 21:17, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

proper nounEdit

If Alice chess is a proper noun, then is chess a proper noun too? --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:22, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Haha, that's a very good point! But then why is "Eiffel Tower" a proper noun, when "tower" is a common one? Equinox 22:26, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Let's see if I can answer it: The Eiffel Tower is a specific tower in a specific location; I believe the name was given to differentiate it from other towers. A "tower" is any tower.
If I'm not mistaken, "traditional" games and sports are common nouns, including chess, go and basketball, while games which are brand names like Monopoly and Cluedo and any video games are proper nouns. Regardless of whether this distinction actually makes any sense, I believe this is accurate as the tradition in English.
We could make the case that all games and sports should be treated as proper nouns, because by the logic above (again, if I'm not mistaken) then if chess did not exist yet and someone invented it today, it would be a proper noun. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 23:08, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Wanna check this quotation?Edit

Quotation from John Aubrey, which contains some obsolete spellings. [1]. DonnanZ (talk) 16:10, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


Find a quote from Georgette Heyer, in reference to Almack's. - Amgine/ t·e 03:59, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


Fix this entry. — (((Romanophile))) (contributions) 08:47, 28 January 2017 (UTC)


What do you think of this? I'm not too happy with the page title, btw. --Barytonesis (talk) 09:39, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Nice list but should probably try to split the topics of wasting time and remaining idly in a particular place. Equinox 09:42, 29 January 2017 (UTC)


I was talking to one, and noticed that a lot of the words used by American hoboes (by which I mean the traditional kind who engaged in freight hopping - should that have an entry?) are missing here. Just a good source of vocabulary if you're interested. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:49, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree, but do you know any good written sources? Equinox 00:05, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
google books:gondola hobo turns up quite a few books. (I chose gondola more or less at random as one of the words hoboes use, though the appropriate context label is rail transportation in this case.) —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:18, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

fight it outEdit

Should we move it to fight out? --Barytonesis (talk) 20:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I think this is a fixed phrase. I'm not sure that you can "fight out" something specifically named. Equinox 20:45, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Indeed. But I also see this on Google books: fight out the decision, fight the thing out, fight this thing out, fight out this thing. I'm aware that the last three sentences are more or less equivalent with "fight it out" though. --Barytonesis (talk) 21:23, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Stuts bend, but they can buckle, too, I guessEdit

Actually, in the usage example for stut I meant to say that the stuts (vertical supports used to prop up ships and such) became "bent". "To buck" means "to bend", at least this is what I heard shipwrights once say of "shoddy stuts that became bent pretty bad"... Mountebank1 (talk) 23:00, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Okay, change it back if you want. I assumed a typo. Perhaps a longer sentence would clarify. Equinox 23:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


We seem to be entering an edit war over Skite. The word is used in New Zealand only in the sense of boasting/boaster. I'm not a youngster having fun over this. I'm nearly 70 yrs old, have lived in NZ my entire life, and have NEVER heard the word being used in any other sense. This matter came to my attention because an editor is citing the Skite article in an attempt to add the other meanings to "skite" in the New Zealand English article. It's possible that skite is used in Australia in the other senses ascribed to it, but I don't know about that. What I do know is that Australians tend to regard New Zealand as one of their possessions and there seems to be an ongoing battle by Australians at the NZ English article to remove differences and make NZE the same as Australian English.

There is no reference citing the alleged NZ usages of Skite, only what appear to be British references probably added by a Briton who may have assumed that all Commonwealth people talk the same. They don't. The "Skite" article is obscure, and it looks like there has never been any oversight by New Zealanders, otherwise I'm sure they would have disputed the alleged meanings. Akld guy (talk) 00:35, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

User:Da Vinci Nanjing's blockEdit

I have received a request by e-mail from User:Da Vinci Nanjing to review his 24-hour block that you imposed. It seems to be concerning edits made to meaning and Twix that added some use examples. I'm not sure why these were "vandalism"; could you explain? — SMUconlaw (talk) 13:38, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

They repeatedly added an ungrammatical usex despite two admins asking them to stop. Equinox 17:03, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Hmmm, OK. I didn't notice the examples to be ungrammatical, but I'll look again. Thanks. — SMUconlaw (talk) 17:15, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
I see that the editor tried to add a long, ungrammatical example to meaning, but the other one was "Katja loves to eat Twix" which doesn't seem ungrammatical to me. Anyway, I'll put a note on the editor's user talk page to explain the situation. — SMUconlaw (talk) 17:17, 16 April 2017 (UTC)


You can have a single ground (speck) of coffee (a single piece of coffee-ground [[2]]) Leasnam (talk) 00:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I see. It needs a singular sense at ground then. Equinox 16:06, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


Hi there. I had always assumed that grape varieties were uncapitalised. (We have pinot as an example). But uncapitalised forms of this one are not too easy to find. The uncapitalised plural (canaioli) exists in a few Italian texts. I'm not sure which Italian entry to add. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:11, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

In my experience, fruit varieties usually have the capital (e.g. Golden Delicious apple, Tosca pear, Rkatsiteli. If the wine becomes particularly popular and written about then the capitalisation seems to relax. Equinox 16:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
It also depends on whether it's a modern variety where the name is trademarked or is treated sort of like a trademark, as opposed to the older varieties that have names more like the common names of species. The trademark-ish ones tend to be capitalised, and the common name-ish ones aren't (unless the name includes a proper noun, of course- with some exceptions).
I should also mention that there's a separate code for scientific names of horticultural varieties- the normal format is for the variety name to be capitalized in single quotes, with or without the botanical name for the taxon it belongs to: Vitis labrusca 'Concord', 'Golden Delicious', Rubus ursinus × Rubus idaeus 'Boysenberry'. In the latter case, people have forgotten that it's named after someone named Boysen, so it's generally not capitalized outside of formal citations like the above. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:55, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Wiktionary-focused research projectEdit

Hello Equinox—it's been a few years, but I'm planning another Wiktionary-focused research project. Wiktionary has continued to be an extraordinary resource in my NLP research, and I'm moving towards a project that I expect will help with the discovery of entries and example usages. It's not quite off the ground yet, but I would like to present the ideas at this year's Wikimania conference. I would be grateful if you could take a look at the abstract and add any comments at the bottom. Also, if you think anyone else might be interested please pass the word along, and feel free to follow up if you have any questions. Cheers, Jakerylandwilliams (talk) 20:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

"PaM" at indeterminate genderEdit

You said the abbreviation "PaM" on the tea room. I'm not familiar with this. Does it merit a definition at PAM? PseudoSkull (talk) 17:23, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hah, it's just internal jargon. PaM refers to a specific vandal whose original account was called "Pass a Method". —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:26, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes. Not precisely a vandal, but a very bad and biased editor. Equinox 16:28, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


Just a reminder that this template doesn't have a lang parameter. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 02:36, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm having to unlearn it painfully, as every time a popular template gets changed. Equinox 15:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
It wasn't changed. It never did have a |lang= parameter. --WikiTiki89 17:02, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
I mean, before you could just put anything in, but entering a value into the |lang= parameter has never done anything. —JohnC5 17:05, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
The constant changes and inclusions of things that aren't of immediate importance to editors encourage cargo cult programming, yes. Equinox 18:43, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Disappearing citationsEdit

Quick question: is it just me, or have quotations stopped showing up? I noticed while working on an entry that the previews were no longer including quotations, then checked a different completed entry and found the same thing. Your help would be appreciated! Aabull2016 (talk) 14:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

And, they've reappeared. Not sure if it was a problem on my end or with Wiktionary. Aabull2016 (talk) 15:28, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I noticed the problem too. I don't know the cause. Equinox 15:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

the matterEdit

"Is something the matter with him?" Is this still ellipsis? PseudoSkull (talk) 04:16, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Well, you originally created that entry as an adjective. We can partially parse the sentence "is something the matter with him?" as "is (noun-phrase) (noun-phrase) with him?". (We know that "the matter" isn't an adjective because it has a determiner, "the", which can't occur on an adjective alone: we can't say "the sky looks the blue".) You can then create further acceptable sentences by substituting other noun phrases, like "is [his mental illness] [the real problem] with him?". Equinox 04:21, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

manufacturers repEdit

It could be an alt form of manufacturer's rep or of manufacturers' rep or an effort to avoid committing to the possible business implications of either one. DCDuring (talk) 23:32, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Request to blockEdit

Hi could you please block --Polyknot (talk) 20:31, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Happy birthday!!!Edit

Happy birthday, Equinox! Hope you have a great day today. Best regards, PseudoSkull (talk) 13:39, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

ground + squirrelEdit

I found a couple of citations. but more interesting IMO is this:

"She notes that squirrel meat is often full of tendons, making it time-consuming to chop by hand. Make sure you don’t keep your lover waiting — grind the squirrel meat in a food processor."
It is from this YouTube video. DCDuring (talk) 22:42, 23 May 2017 (UTC)


Why did you undo my edit at eww. Everybody knows Lena Dunham and Lizzie Velásquez are hideous.

Not appropriate for a dictionary. Equinox 02:05, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
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