Researchisfun

Do not copy definitions from other dictionaries. That constitutes a copyright violation. — SURJECTION ^{/ T / C / L /} 17:50, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Copy that, which means you do agree I had entered the correct definition for loveship. But why erase the correct meaning and sources, then make the page uneditable, instead of simply editing to correct the unintended plagiarism yourself or allowing me time to correct the error?

The message I am getting is you understand your meaning is not supported by any dictionary or usage, but instead of working with me, you are unilaterally deciding the meaning you have entered as being correct. It is user generated which should be amended once that usage is identified. I have been unable to find any documentation of your definition, so if you have it, you should add it to the page. I am in contention with your application of "the act of falling in or making love". I am contending it is incorrect. "Courtship" is both supported by dictionary and usage as a synonym for loveship, but courtship itself doesn't mean "the act of falling in love or making love". Courtship is the period of time a person spends seeking the love of someone with the intent to marry or even simply seeking favor, like a male peacock displays his tail to the female before mating. BEFORE, its the period of time before which is not loveship. Properly defined, courtship is the state of seeking through favors with intent for commitment. Loveship is being in the committed relationship of favors. These words can be applied outside the realm of "love" actually so favor is actually correct.

Like courtship, the meaning of loveship is also predicated on the suffix "-ship" which you have ignored. The suffix "-ship" indicates a) states/conditions of being, b) having position or duties of something and c) being skilled as something (The Britannica Dictionary https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/eb/qa/Using-the-Suffix-Ship ):

a) friendship is literally the state/condition of being a friend, thus loveship is literally state/condition of being a lover (since both words friend and lover are traced back to the Greek philia which is both)

b) kingship - the status of being king

C) courtship - skilled as a suitor currying favors (again, not just about love)

So, since I completed the research, instead of erasing the actual meanings, you could have paraphrased "state of being in love; a lover" like "the condition of being in love; the skill as a lover". This would be representing the usage and definition that Wikipedia is committed to and about which you have been rather short with me. I don't understand your blanket erasure without simply correcting my error by doing an edit. I could be getting the wrong impression but your missives have all been rather short in the collaboration process. I wait to hear from you. - Researchisfun (talk) 14:14, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Because you're evidently adding a sense that isn't actually used but that which you made up yourself. Your source is the "Collins Dictionary", which it isn't - you're citing a user submission which the dictionary editors have given no more attention than to say "we'll add it if it is actually used". All senses added must meet the criteria for inclusion. — SURJECTION ^{/ T / C / L /} 14:36, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi! So you are talking about the first entry with Collins. That one I understood, accepted and then did research. I found the correct definition on OED and returned to do my second entry.

So I am talking about the correct definition on OED that I entered in my second edit - the one you said I plagiarized and then blocked edits so I couldn't fix it.

In addition to having found the definition in OED, I also used the Middle English Dictionary to establish years of usage and sources which all were listed on my second edit, thus that meaning was attested. Sadly, not your meaning except for the 'courtship' part. That is why I removed "the act of falling in love or making love" - its not attested per criteria for inclusion, the same guidance you have given me.

Or if it is, please put in the attestations. That would be awesome as I couldn't find any at all.

My question: why didn't you just edit the second edit, OED definition, so it was paraphrasing instead of reverting the entire page and blocking edits on the page?

Then pop me a note about the plagiarism, which was very useful, thank you, and we would be collaborating instead of this reverting and blocking which is contrary to collaboration per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring.

Even more so after my research, according to the criteria of inclusion you have provided to me, your current meanings are not attested either so do not meet the criteria for inclusion.

I have entered the attested meanings and usages in those meanings so lets get this page updated. That is why we are here, right?

Even though you deleted the information, I still have it so you don't have to redo the research. I pdf'd the edited page for my records. So I can copy that information into here for you when I get home tonight.

It doesn't matter to me if you don't unblock the page although I do believe I will have to report the blocking. It really isn't productive to the open community of Wiki from what I have been reading and I cannot be supportive of negative actions. So I just wanted to let you know as that is also part of my responsibility to the community.

I prefer our working together as that would be better serving Wiki. How cool would it be to get loveship defined according to the current resources, and who knows, maybe back into use? It would be really ironic that this all goes south when we are literally talking about being in a state of love. Seriously.

Don't you think?

Looking forward to hearing from you Researchisfun (talk) 15:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)